Charter Schools
 

Being a strong supporter of the need for Public Schools. Knowing there is a need for improvements to bring every school to acceptable levels of education. See the need to improve and strengthen our public schools.

Not weaken by vouchers and charter schools.

I see Charter Schools and vouchers as nothing more then a camouflaged, misdirection attempt to fund with public money's private or religious schools. Also to keep those unable to afford or need transportation special needs from getting a better education. This by cutting the funds available to public schools. The poorer districts will keep producing economic slaves for the ruling classes.

Then there is the union organized aspects and teacher seniority and benefits with public school systems. All hated by the Republicans. Just another way of eliminating these issues.

I believe every child no matter the location or income level of parents should get the same opportunity at a education. All schools should be equal in the education provided.

In my experience the teachers were not the ones dropping the ball. It was the parents who failed to be a partner.


Also a school with many different religion ethnic social backgrounds of the students may just be what this country could benefit from.



Barney

Has anyone done a count of how many well off parents are using vouchers to pay for their offspring to attend parochial schools?

Vouchers don't work in the public school system for the low income.

Don't know about the private schools.... Didn't think they were a part of the voucher system and surprised to hear they are.

This is how it works in Indiana. The state our new VP use to head.


http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/20...s-rapidly.html

""This year, nearly 30,000 students in Indiana are attending private schools with the help of vouchers, a number that puts it among a small pack of states offering this controversial school choice option that provides taxpayer dollars to families to help pay for private schools, most of them religious.""


Barney

I would have little problem with vouchers, if we make the voucher worth the Same as the single most expensive private school admission in the state, but only for families under $35,000 in total income. That would make things a level playing field.

But..... It doesn't level the playing field.
That low income child might have a voucher for a school in a better area but.... Has no transportation. Mom and dad take the bus to their two or three minimum wage jobs and there isn't time to make sure the little one gets to a school across town.
And then there is the social stigma. Children can be cruel and snobbish. Those high income schools are full of kids with high income perks such as nice clothes, extra money for lunch, etc.

In my area.... The biggest barrier was the transportation.

Barbara, allow the voucher to be traded, or cashed in for $$$$. We could also allow for stepped vouchers up to about $60k. This in effect would create a progressive school award for the poor, and give them real choice, not the illusion of choice DeVos supports.

The top private high school tuition in St. Louis is about $25k a year. Cash the voucher, send junior to the Catholic college prep for $15k, and buy him/her a $5k beater car for transport.

Low income families would need that cash for food and shelter. Chances are it would not be spent on education. And, in a low income family, the cheap beater car is the transportation for the whole family.... If they can afford it.

When a family is scrambling to keep a roof over their head and food on the table.... Education is not always a priority at the moment. And it's hard for low income people to think in terms of a future because they are struggling so hard to survive today.

Barbara, I realize that. I have done social work in the past. I'm just saying that a level playing field for the wealthy is not a level playing field for the poor. Please don't beat me up.

Seems to me that tax dollars going to any religious school violates the separation clause. Hell, they're already tax exempt.
Dominionism indoctrination funded by my taxes? F**k that s**t. :mad:

Didn't mean to beat you up. I don't think I understood the intent of your post. Sorry.

Florence's first eight years were at St. Henry's Academy in San Antonio taught by the Sisters of the Congregation of Divine Providence and it was not cheap. I believe her Abuela Florencia paid for it because she felt they had made a mistake in not sending her mother there.

My intentions were to point out a view on public schools and the need to have all of them provide the best education no matter where the student. Private schools have been for the most part religious in doctrine historically. In a country where church and state were to be separated. I see the use of public funds to pay for religious or private even charter as a unnecessary use of them.

If one wants religious teaching then pay!!! Do not expect the rest to fund your views. Just how would the "right" feel if known madrassas are funded with their taxes?

I feel all schools should have the same standard of education available and resources. Not tied to property values or sports. After all the graduates will be the ones running the country soon enough. Do we really want a sub educated group of voters like we have now?


Barney

Everyone should go to public schools. The Public schools I attended were amazing. I got a tremendous education from them.

You guys in the Alt-Left sure have a big streak of authoritarianism running through you. So what if people want to send their kids to parochial school or a madrassa for that matter, as long as it's on their dime and they meet the scholastic standards set by the Dept. of Education.

BTW, you're even starting to write at a fourth grade level, like Trump.

Look just how far that got him!:D King, oops I meant to say President of the tweets!




Barney

It is quite simple for Catholics to have parochial schools as there is only one Catholic Church. Whereas the Protestants have so many denominations it would simply be impossible, especially in small towns. Where I grew up in Quebec the town was so small we even had a Union Church because there were not enough Protestants of any given denomination to have their own church. It was in the Protestant Churches that Sunday School originated.

Education was another matter as schools were split along religious grounds, not language. So any French Canadian of Huguenot persuasion had to attend the Protestant (English) school and those of Irish descent attended the Protestant schools
. I will say this though, they taught us to think, and think for ourselves. They were not in the business of turning out robots for industry. Industries did their own training at their own expense and did not expect the taxpayers to do it for them.

In a perfect world, envisioned and enshrined by our Constitution where all men are created equal. Public schools should be also equal in training free of religious influences. Churches have their own avenues of passing wisdom along. Churches also do not pay taxes!
I see the move towards education segregated by income and ability to play sports. With little thought or care for those less fortunate who fail to have these.

Barney

Public schools in Detroit are a disaster. It's should be mandatory for every family in Detroit to be given the option of sending their children to the school of their choice - public, private, charter, home school, whatever.

These schools are screwed up now, but the state can't close them until 2018, if it can close them at all. Meanwhile, the parents who can't afford to send their kids somewhere else are stuck sending their kids to schools that are failing. That's wrong. Its not a red, blue, right, left issue. Its simply unconscionable that any parent should be forced to send their kids to a failing school.

Meanwhile, 11 former Detroit public school principals (and counting) have been convicted for stealing from the school system and the students.

Its disgusting, its wrong. If "choice" is a good thing, it should also apply to parent's choice of how their children are educated.

That's because rich white people don't want to pay a nickel extra to fund the Public schools for poor dark kids. Fuck them. I hope those poor dark kids grow up to be gang bangers and mug those selfish assed rich white people and steal their BMW's and Rolex Watches. Serves em right.

Vote No on DeVos
 

I signed this one because I support public schools more than I hate Hillary and her Corporate Democrat toadies. :)

http://edadvocacy.nea.org/nea/app/wr...ementId=264253

Done!

Doubtful it will even be answered by the new guy at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.


Barney

Done!
Imagine if we spent the wall money on universal public education QC instead of wasting it on this costly self aggrandizing hand out to insider connected contractors.
Yes, I'm lately checking in occasionally for messages and issues of merit.

Too bad...

Zelman v. Simmons-Harris ;)

So that they can be ass raped by Pedophile Priests or have their knuckles broken with a wooden ruler by sexually frustrated nuns?

Or taught to worship life sized cardboard cut outs of George W. Bush at Jaysus camp?

Or maybe taught how to rig themselves up in a suicide bomb vest?

No thanks.

I believe in separation of school and church.

We have ordinances for how far away a strip joint can be from a school.

That should also apply to churches.

Tell that to your Trumpenfuhrer.