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whell 01-15-2017 06:44 PM

Lefties have most of the loot...
 
With 8 years of Obama comes more rich lefties....

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...01-15-19-02-51

DAVOS, Switzerland (AP) -- The gap between the super-rich and the poorest half of the global population is starker than previously thought, with just eight men, from Bill Gates to Michael Bloomberg, owning as much wealth as 3.6 billion people, according to an analysis by Oxfam released Monday.

Here's the list:

Oxfam used Forbes' billionaires list that was last published in March 2016 to make its headline claim. According to the Forbes list, Microsoft founder Gates is the richest individual with a net worth of $75 billion. The others, in order of ranking, are Amancio Ortega, the Spanish founder of fashion house Inditex, financier Warren Buffett, Mexican business magnate Carlos Slim Helu, Amazon boss Jeff Bezos, Facebook creator Mark Zuckerberg, Oracle's Larry Ellison and Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York.

Not exactly a Who's Who of hardcore right wing ideologues. Looks like we need to do some serious wealth redistribution. :p

BlueStreak 01-15-2017 06:54 PM

You're just jealous. If you want money, get off the couch, move out of your Moms basement and get a job, loser.

bobabode 01-15-2017 06:58 PM

That wooshing sound you're hearing is the wind whistling through those empty spaces between your ears, Mike. You should really do a modicum of work before displaying your petulant ignorance for all to see.

The Gates Foundation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%...tes_Foundation

finnbow 01-15-2017 07:09 PM

It appears to me that liberals have the creativity and ingenuity necessary to succeed in the modern-day economy and build some of the world's biggest businesses with the power of their brains and not daddy's wealth. Good for them.

Rajoo 01-15-2017 08:22 PM

The Giving Pledge is a commitment by the world's wealthiest individuals and families to dedicate the majority of their wealth to philanthropy.

CURRENT PLEDGERS
Quote:

Bill and Karen Ackman Margaret and Sylvan Adams Paul G. Allen HRH Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz AlSaud Sue Ann Arnall Laura and John Arnold Lord Ashcroft KCMG PC Lynne and Marc Benioff Nicolas Berggruen Manoj Bhargava Steve Bing Sara Blakely Arthur M. Blank Nathan and Elizabeth Blecharczyk Michael R. Bloomberg Richard and Joan Branson Eli and Edythe Broad Charles R. Bronfman Edgar M. Bronfman (d. 2013) Warren Buffett Steve and Jean Case John Caudwell Brian Chesky Scott Cook and Signe Ostby Lee and Toby Cooperman Joe and Kelly Craft Joyce and Bill Cummings Ray and Barbara Dalio Jack and Laura Dangermond John Paul DeJoria Mohammed Dewji Barry Diller and Diane von Furstenberg Ann and John Doerr Glenn and Eva Dubin Larry Ellison Henry Engelhardt and Diane Briere de l'Isle-Engelhardt Judy Faulkner Charles F. Feeney Andrew and Nicola Forrest Ted Forstmann (d. 2011) Phillip and Patricia Frost Bill and Melinda Gates Joe Gebbia Dan and Jennifer Gilbert Ann Gloag OBE Dave Goldberg (d. 2015) and Sheryl Sandberg David and Barbara Green Jeff and Mei Sze Greene Harold Grinspoon and Diane Troderman Gordon and Llura Gund Harold Hamm Reed Hastings and Patty Quillin Lyda Hill Barron Hilton Christopher Hohn Elie and Susy Horn Sir Tom and Lady Marion Hunter Jon and Karen Huntsman Dr Mo Ibrahim Carl Icahn Joan and Irwin Jacobs John W. Jordan II "Jay" George B. Kaiser Brad and Kim Keywell Vinod and Neeru Khosla Sidney Kimmel Rich and Nancy Kinder Beth and Seth Klarman Robert and Arlene Kogod Elaine and Ken Langone Liz and Eric Lefkofsky Gerry and Marguerite Lenfest Peter B. Lewis (d. 2013) Lorry I. Lokey George Lucas and Mellody Hobson Duncan and Nancy MacMillan Alfred E. Mann (d. 2016) Joe and Rika Mansueto Bernie and Billi Marcus Richard Edwin and Nancy Peery Marriott Strive and Tsitsi Masiyiwa Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw Craig and Susan McCaw Red and Charline McCombs PNC and Sobha Menon Dean and Marianne Metropoulos Gary K. Michelson, M.D. Michael and Lori Milken Yuri Milner George P. Mitchell (d. 2013) Thomas S. Monaghan Gordon and Betty Moore Tashia and John Morgridge Michael Moritz and Harriet Heyman Dustin Moskovitz and Cari Tuna Patrice and Precious Motsepe Elon Musk Arif Naqvi Jonathan M. Nelson Gensheng Niu Pierre and Pam Omidyar Natalie and Paul Orfalea Bernard and Barbro Osher Bob and Renee Parsons Ronald O. Perelman Jorge M. and Darlene Perez Peter G. Peterson T. Boone Pickens Victor Pinchuk Hasso Plattner Vladimir Potanin Azim Premji Julian H. Robertson, Jr. David Rockefeller Edward W. (d. 2016) and Deedie Potter Rose Stephen M. Ross David M. Rubenstein David Sainsbury John and Ginger Sall Henry and Susan Samueli Herb and Marion (d. 2012) Sandler Denny Sanford Vicki and Roger Sant Lynn Schusterman Ruth and Bill Scott Walter Scott, Jr. Tom and Cindy Secunda Craig Silverstein and Mary Obelnicki Annette and Harold (d. 2013) Simmons Jim and Marilyn Simons Liz Simons and Mark Heising Paul E. Singer Jeff Skoll John A. and Susan Sobrato, John Michael Sobrato Michele B. Chan and Patrick Soon-Shiong Ted (d. 2016) and Vada (d. 2013) Stanley Mark and Mary Stevens Tom Steyer and Kat Taylor Jim (d. 2014) and Virginia Stowers Dato' Sri DR Tahir Vincent Tan Chee Yioun Tad Taube Claire (d. 2014) and Leonard Tow Ted Turner Albert Lee Ueltschi (d. 2012) Hamdi Ulukaya Sunny and Sherly Varkey Dr. Romesh and Kathleen Wadhwani Sanford and Joan Weill Dr. Herbert and Nicole Wertheim Shelby White Sir Ian Wood Hansjörg Wyss Samuel Yin Charles Zegar and Merryl Snow Zegar Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan
I am willing to bet that there are more liberals here than conservatives. Guess whose name is missing? ;)

https://givingpledge.org/

BlueStreak 01-15-2017 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 344427)
It appears to me that liberals have the creativity and ingenuity necessary to succeed in the modern-day economy and build some of the world's biggest businesses with the power of their brains and not daddy's wealth. Good for them.

Let's see;

After all of these years of Conservatives going on about how lazy and dependent Liberals are, now they whine about the wealth and success that Liberals have accrued? All the while taking up the mantle of people who'd rather waste their lives sitting on a barstool, bitching that they want the government to give them their lousy coal jobs back rather than get some fucking ambition and lift themselves up?

My, how the roles have changed.

BlueStreak 01-15-2017 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 344428)
The Giving Pledge is a commitment by the world's wealthiest individuals and families to dedicate the majority of their wealth to philanthropy.

CURRENT PLEDGERS

I am willing to bet that there are more liberals here than conservatives. Guess whose name is missing? ;)

https://givingpledge.org/

That's because philanthropy for that asshole is just a tax shelter scheme and a way to make rubes think he gives a shit about the troops. (Ref. Wounded Warriors sham.)

finnbow 01-15-2017 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 344431)
That's because philanthropy for that asshole is just a tax shelter scheme and a way to make rubes think he gives a shit about the troops. (Ref. Wounded Warriors sham.)

It's even worse than that. His charitable foundation was a method by which to collect money from other people and then buy goodies to display at Mar a Lago, including a painting of himself. He defines grifter and charlatan (and is illegal under "self-dealing" provisions of such foundations).

In the face of an investigation of his "charitable" foundation by the New York AG, Trump is trying to dissolve the foundation. However, the judge is making him keep it open (though it is not allowed to solicit any more funds) until the investigation is completed.

The Trump Foundation spent $30,000 to buy two large portraits of Trump himself, including one that was hung up in the sports bar at a Trump-owned resort. Trump also appears to use $258,000 of his foundation’s money — legally earmarked for charitable purposes — to settle lawsuits involving two of his for-profit clubs.
In addition, the Trump foundation gave a $25,000 gift to a campaign committee backing Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi (R) even though nonprofits like the charity are not allowed to give political gifts.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...44N/story.html

Dondilion 01-16-2017 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 344430)
Let's see;

After all of these years of Conservatives going on about how lazy and dependent Liberals are, now they whine about the wealth and success that Liberals have accrued? All the while taking up the mantle of people who'd rather waste their lives sitting on a barstool, bitching that they want the government to give them their lousy coal jobs back rather than get some fucking ambition and lift themselves up?

My, how the roles have changed.

My, my, still ranting on the coal people.

Oerets 01-16-2017 06:53 AM

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So having a Democrat in the Oval office is good for the economy. Nothing new here, the Reps will just tank it leaving yet another mess for the Democrats to cleanup again!


http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome.../www.bing.com/

Barney

whell 01-16-2017 07:01 AM

This is hilarious. A couple of years ago the left was bleating about the evils of the 1% and how they were screwing up the world and stacking the deck against the 99%. Now that it turns out that the left comprises a hefty portion of the 1%, the leftists in this forum extoll the virtues of the 1% by suggesting that the 1% are charitable.

So which is it: is it a good idea that the 1% have most of the loot because they're virtuous and they donate their loot to charity? Or is it a bad idea that all that wealth is concentrated within 1% of the population, and the folks who have it are still a threat to the 99% who they're stealing the loot from regardless of their political leanings?

finnbow 01-16-2017 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 344440)
This is hilarious. A couple of years ago the left was bleating about the evils of the 1% and how they were screwing up the world and stacking the deck against the 99%. Now that it turns out that the left comprises a hefty portion of the 1%, the leftists in this forum extoll the virtues of the 1% by suggesting that the 1% are charitable.

So which is it: is it a good idea that the 1% have most of the loot because they're virtuous and they donate their loot to charity? Or is it a bad idea that all that wealth is concentrated within 1% of the population, and the folks who have it are still a threat to the 99% who they're stealing the loot from regardless of their political leanings?

And why exactly are you criticizing the 1%? Your party doesn't approve of "class warfare," remember? It seems you only dislike rich people with a social conscience, but worship the greedy SOB's. Figures.

donquixote99 01-16-2017 07:28 AM

The claimed ideological tilt of some set of rich people is immaterial. The high concentration of wealth created by the system that allows an undefined and limitless portion of the surplus to be claimed by owners is always, inherently, and inescapably unjust and harmful.

whell 01-16-2017 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 344426)
That wooshing sound you're hearing is the wind whistling through those empty spaces between your ears, Mike. You should really do a modicum of work before displaying your petulant ignorance for all to see.

The Gates Foundation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%...tes_Foundation

Thank you for posting drivel that has nothing to do with the point of the OP. :rolleyes:

The left has been railing against the rich forever, who we've been told have been stacking the deck against the rest of us and are just the "evil rich". Of the Occupy Wall Street whiners, Obama stated that he was on their side. The evils of the rich were pointed out with gusto right here in this forum during the OWS protests. If I remember correctly, Don's kids joined the protee

Here comes an article that points out that the left is a healthy chunk of the 1%, and you guys rush to their defense by pointing out their charitable giving?

Hypocrisy alert!

whell 01-16-2017 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 344441)
And why exactly are you criticizing the 1%? Your party doesn't approve of "class warfare," remember? It seems you only dislike rich people with a social conscience, but worship the greedy SOB's. Figures.

Point out to me where I criticized the 1%? In fact, I've often been chided in this forum for "defending them". No, that's your job Finn, and i wouldn't dream of taking that job from you.

As for your other childish attempt at making a debate point, you'd have to demonstrate that all rich folks on the left are not "greedy SOB's". Good luck with that.

Oerets 01-16-2017 07:41 AM

""A rising tide lifts all boats"" So a great economy will be ergo good for the 1%.

The increases coming from the economy not tax cuts!



Barney

BlueStreak 01-16-2017 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 344438)
My, my, still ranting on the coal people.

You're talking about the very people I grew up around. Ohio = Coal and steel. Democrats who have become Trump-drones, because they think he's going to give them their ____ back. The irony is that now, they now support Republicans.......You know, the party that has been telling them to just move on, find another way, lift yourself up for the last 40-50 years? Do you know anyone who has done little more with his life other than bellyache and toss around blame over some job he lost 30 years ago? I do.

Tell me you see no irony there?

BlueStreak 01-16-2017 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 344448)
Point out to me where I criticized the 1%? In fact, I've often been chided in this forum for "defending them". No, that's your job Finn, and i wouldn't dream of taking that job from you.

As for your other childish attempt at making a debate point, you'd have to demonstrate that all rich folks on the left are not "greedy SOB's". Good luck with that.

It is somewhat refreshing to see that people on both sides are coming to realize that selfish greed run amuck is not good. I recall hearing Rightists applaud wealthy businessmen who stick it to American workers saying; "I don't blame them. They can make a lot more money manufacturing elsewhere. That's just smart business."...... How'd that work out for our country, Mike? ;)

So, tell me, Mike; are "all rich folks" on the right "greedy SOB's"?

whell 01-16-2017 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 344455)
It is somewhat refreshing to see that people on both sides are coming to realize that selfish greed run amuck is not good. I recall hearing Rightists applaud wealthy businessmen who stick it to American workers saying; "I don't blame them. They can make a lot more money manufacturing elsewhere. That's just smart business."...... How'd that work out for our country, Mike? ;)

So, tell me, Mike; are "all rich folks" on the right "greedy SOB's"?

As to your first question, the "we can make a lot more money manufacturing elsewhere" mindset - as practiced by Apple for example - helped bring us the Trump presidency.

As to the 2nd question - I have no idea. You'd have to ask Finn or someone in the OWS crowd . They seem to have keen insights into the personality ticks of the uber rich. :rolleyes:

BlueStreak 01-16-2017 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 344456)
As to your first question, the "we can make a lot more money manufacturing elsewhere" mindset - as practiced by Apple for example - helped bring us the Trump presidency.

As to the 2nd question - I have no idea. You'd have to ask Finn or someone in the OWS crowd . They seem to have keen insights into the personality ticks of the uber rich. :rolleyes:

Apple, GE, Ford, GM, Boeing, USS, etc., etc., etc.......damn near everyone AFAIK. It became quite popular for a few decades to outsource, raid and downsize, then flaunt the personal wealth it brought. Especially in the 1980s and '90s as I recall. "Greed is Good!".... Remember those days, when some of us celebrated corporate greed? :rolleyes:

icenine 01-16-2017 10:49 AM

I was just reading about the Davos get together in Chris Hayes' Twilight Of The Elites.
He said it is a demonstration about the uber rich still trying to go that extra hill to get to the very top...google C. S. Lewis and the Inner Ring speech. Hayes points out it is an exercise in humility and paranoia for those who are rich enough to go. The 1 percent are bussed to the chateau while the .0001 percent are flown in from Zurich on private whirly birds. The "humiliation" is on purpose. The 1 percent will do all things moral or not to get in the inner ring of those fortunate to get flown in. Something about a fractal model for wealth and status.

Probably why with all his money Trump still felt the need for the Presidency.

icenine 01-16-2017 11:20 AM

http://www.lewissociety.org/innerring.php

Good reading.

Dondilion 01-16-2017 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 344453)
You're talking about the very people I grew up around. Ohio = Coal and steel. Democrats who have become Trump-drones, because they think he's going to give them their ____ back. The irony is that now, they now support Republicans.......You know, the party that has been telling them to just move on, find another way, lift yourself up for the last 40-50 years? Do you know anyone who has done little more with his life other than bellyache and toss around blame over some job he lost 30 years ago? I do.

Tell me you see no irony there?

Then one would expect a smidgen of sympathy on your part, but what creeps through is utter contempt.

Rajoo 01-16-2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 344467)
The one would expect a smidgen of sympathy on your part, but what creeps through is utter contempt.

I read a statement of reality. Coal jobs are not going to come back, period for any number of reasons. Same with manufacturing jobs. The best politicians can do is to impose tariffs on those that manufacture outside the US and sell it here thus avoiding employment taxes. Otherwise where is the incentive to manufacture goods here?

If a company wants to move all of it's manufacturing outside the US, there is not law to stop it. Do the Trump supporters know this?

(There may be exceptions for those are under a government contract).

Dondilion 01-16-2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 344468)
I read a statement of reality.

Indeed, but post#6 is awfully couched.


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