Russians Hacking the Electrical Grid
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.d025ca5b0981

Time to turn the lights out in Moscow. :p

This is why a few weeks ago I put in place a plan for the family to have a ground zero for messages and meeting. A place for everyone to leave messages in case of a technology breakdown and a loss of contact.

Just think of it no cell phones, internet hell even you cars/trucks have chips that can be fried. Just how would you find someone???


Barney

Will it fry points and condenser? And a brush generator with mechanical voltage regulator rather than solid state electronic? One that can be push started and driven even if no battery is present? Reason I ask is I didn't get out with the old and in with the new, I kept a couple old vehicles and never sold or traded them in when buying newer vehicles over the years.

Points condenser should be OK. It is solid state that can be effected!

My 70 VW was converted to solid state. Still have to the parts and know how to go back if need be.

A good flash can wreck shear havoc on IC's and trani's .....


Barney

That's good to know. I didn't keep them for this reason, honestly I never really thought about it until lately. They were just vehicles that my wife and I were driving when we first met and I just kept them.

I guess I'm maybe weird to be sentimental of some things but I also kept our kids first little Honda 50 and all these years later I have grandchildren fixing to learn on it before long like their mother and uncle did.

Just to keep our minds right, the 'flash' that fries non-internet-but-electronic-dependent cars isn't hacker action, it's the electro-magnetic-pulse (EMP) from a nuclear explosion. That is therefor a lot worse on the disaster scale that a Ruskie-engineered revolt of our electronic servants.

In the event that an EMP fries your car's electronics you'll probably want a well-equipped fallout shelter to survive the first couple of weeks in a semi-civilized style.

So, has Trump tweeted praise to the Russians for their excellent hacking skills yet?

Hardly anyone has a good fallout shelter. You need fresh hepa filtered air, power, a sewer drain, adequate security, and a radiation physicist to let you know whether to shelter in place, or flee. You also need to know where the explosions happened.

I'm sure Don doesn't care about all that. Now that he's POTUS, someone else will ensure he's safe. Nobody else matters.

Given that people are likely to lack all that information and expertise, two weeks is the usual wag. Much less would be enough in many places. Bad idea to be right downwind from a large and dirty one though.

My point is that if you're going to worry about an EMP frying your car, you have a lot of other stuff to worry about first.

Next the Russians will be responsible for the lead in Flint.

Naw, we all know that was Rick Snyder, tovarich. :rolleyes:

The public was not showing that much interest in the DNC hacking and was buying into Trump's "time to move on".

So lets shake up the public by hinting that the Russians are messing with its Electricity. :D

Moreover it is a classic response to the Russians. It is telling them that we can play the game in many different ways.

Our gamers have now projected in the public mind an entity called a "Russian malware" which can be installed conveniently. This is beautiful.

Says who, comrade?

Russia Hysteria Infects WashPost Again: False Story About Hacking U.S. Electric Grid
 

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/31/...electric-grid/

The idea of the "Russian malware" is already out there, it is not coming back. :D

I will bet you: even six months from now it is quoted as fact.

trai·tor
ˈtrādər/
noun
a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc.
"they see me as a traitor, a sellout to the enemy"
synonyms: betrayer, backstabber, double-crosser, renegade, fifth columnist; More

The constitutional definition is one who 'makes war upon the United States, or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.'

I consider intervening in our elections via illegal covert action to be enemy action.

A high altitude one would result in less radiation hitting the ground. Taking out satellites. Fun times indeed.

Our society would suffer greatly with just the loss of cell phones and internet for a week. If the grid then was down across the country also. The lack of news and information even for a few days. The vast majority of the people of this country have not known or complected let alone prepared for such the likes.

Think I go out and buy meez a AR!



Barney

WaPo was so breathlessly excited that they might have a way to regain some shred of credibility that they rushed out the story without bothering to check some elemental facts. Typical.

From the article:

Burlington Electric said in a statement that the company detected a malware code used in the Grizzly Steppe operation in a laptop that was not connected to the organization’s grid systems. The firm said it took immediate action to isolate the laptop and alert federal authorities.

Friday night, Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin (D) called on federal officials “to conduct a full and complete investigation of this incident and undertake remedies to ensure that this never happens again.”

“Vermonters and all Americans should be both alarmed and outraged that one of the world’s leading thugs, Vladimir Putin, has been attempting to hack our electric grid, which we rely upon to support our quality-of-life, economy, health, and safety,” Shumlin said in a statement. “This episode should highlight the urgent need for our federal government to vigorously pursue and put an end to this sort of Russian meddling.”

Anything non-truthful there? After futilely searching for anything untruthful in the above excerpt, point me to what is untruthful in this FBI report on Russian hacking efforts, tovarich.

https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...-2016-1229.pdf

It seems you and Trump don't believe anything the intelligence agencies say, but do believe in the findings of non-existent Trump investigators in Hawaii who discovered Obama was born in Kenya. Does it hurt your head to carry water for Trump and his profound stupidity?

Meanwhile, your fearless leader said “I know a lot about hacking and... I know things that other people don't know." This is the same guy who knows more about ISIS than the generals.:rolleyes:

There was no Gulf of Tonkin incident.

There were no Weapons of Mass Destruction.

And there is no Russian Hacking.

This is just one more of a long string of lies by the United States Government in order to create "Enemies" so that an excuse can be had to feed the insatiable appetite of the Military Industrial Complex.

You just keep flailing away Finn. You might hit something eventually.

Meanwhile you continue to make an ass of yourself as a spear catcher for the Dems, and apparently the NY Times and WaPo.

You can pull all the random quotes you want from the REVISED version of the story. But while you're doing that, don't forget to read the editors note at the top of the article:

Editor’s Note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said that Russian hackers had penetrated the U.S. electric grid. Authorities say there is no indication of that so far. The computer at Burlington Electric that was hacked was not attached to the grid.

Even Wapo admits they screwed up the reporting on this. Maybe you haven't gotten the memo from Bezos yet?

So we have continued hostile Russian cyber action, they successfully hacked a computer at Burlington Electric. But it was not as dangerous a success as initially reported, the hacked system was not 'on the grid.'

Whell says this means the reporting is WRONG WRONG WRONG, DISREGARD THE WRONG MAINSTREAM PRESS!!!

I say it means LOOK, THE RELIABLE MAINSTREAM PRESS CORRECTS THE STORY AS NECESSARY.

Also, it means we should be happy that the grid was not penetrated after all.

And, it still means the Russians are hacking away. Don't forget that.

You go Don!

And while you're spear catching for WaPo, just a little reminder that we're not talking about WaPo making a typo, misspelling a name, or getting the name of the power company wrong. This wasn't a minor error; This wasn't a reporter accidentally sneaking a minor factual issue past the editors.

The original story reported that Russian hackers had penetrated the U.S. electric grid. Do you have any ideas how many eyes usually have to be on a story that major before it gets published? There used to be a standard in the print and broadcast media of confirming sources and cross checking facts. This is a MAJOR screw up. One really has to wonder about the state of affairs in the editors offices of the major daily news papers to let a story of that magnitude and that factually wrong to get published.

The actual news is still that the Russians are hacking away.

Funny, I don't hear you bitching and moaning about fake news being reported on Fox News, Breitbart and InfoWars, the favorite (fake) news sources of der Trumpenfuhrer (you'd have hundreds of opportunities). Unlike these "news" sources, real news sources like the Post correct their errors. It's a lot easier for me to defend the Post than it is for you to defend the truth-averse, narcissistic, vain-glorious manchild who has you in his thrall and who slings fake news regularly via Twitter.

There is no proof that in this case Russians are hacking. And BTW the malware is Ukrainian. An old one.

You've got that more than covered. :rolleyes:

Funny that you defend WaPo and others. Meanwhile there's little disagreement that the mainstream press was in the tank for the Dems for years - even members of the press admit it - and you, and non-Democrat (cough, cough) and you get all worked up about so - called fake news. Maybe you're concerned about the lefty media losing their monopoly on fake news?

Yeah, why should the left wing media have a monopoly on the bullshit market? The right has plenty of bullshit to spread too! It just isn't fair! :rolleyes:

You and TJ, sittin' in a tree..........

How does it feel to side with a guy who has Che Guevara in his profile pic, proudly proclaims he's a "Hardcore Commie" and thinks the notion that life in the USSR sucked was a big lie?

;)

You're the one who started a thread on it, not me. Moreover, the focus of the thread was characterizing real news inconvenient for Trump as fake news.

"This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel."

Then you missed the purpose of that thread. Not surprising.

So life is in the extremes, not in the middle?

That's your takeaway from Walpole's quote? Interesting....

Context is the key.

The point of the thread was and remains abundantly clear - characterizing real news that is unfavorable to Trump as fake news. Having bought into Limbaugh's shtick that the Post and Times are the predominate source of fake news (as opposed to the enlightened purity of talk radio, Breitbart and InfoWars), you gladly carried that message to this board to cover for Trump and Flynn's use and proliferation of fake news - typical right wing projection.

If you want to continue such projection, you could start a thread saying that Nazis were liberals and that criticism of blatant racism by the right is itself racist. You'd then have all the bases covered.

Swing and a miss. Strike two!

Although I have a great deal of respect for Che, that is not him in my avatar. That is Fidel Castro.

Well as I said my only exposure to Russian immigrants to the US is my wife's hairdresser. I believe she came over about 12-15 years ago as one of those Mail order brides. Perhaps because she had the mistaken impression that everybody in America is rich. So now she finds herself with a couple of school aged kids and an Alabama redneck husband and having to work as a hair dresser to make ends meet while bubba is out Deer Hunting with his buddies in his $53,000 4X4 pickup truck that he is $30,000 upside down on.

So I ask you, how much worse off could it have been back in mother Russia?