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BlueStreak 12-11-2016 01:43 PM

Boeing Challeges Congress
 
Republicans, vowing to block a deal that could effect thousands of US jobs.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compa...cid=spartandhp

Interesting situation..............

finnbow 12-11-2016 03:17 PM

If Trump comes out in favor of the deal on a jobs basis, Congressional Republicans won't know whether to shit or go blind. Should be fun to watch.

Tom Joad 12-11-2016 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 341632)
If Trump comes out in favor of the deal on a jobs basis, Congressional Republicans won't know whether to shit or go blind. Should be fun to watch.

I hope he does. I see no reason at all to block this.

finnbow 12-11-2016 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 341645)
I hope he does. I see no reason at all to block this.

Boeing says this deal means 100K jobs (whether true or not, I don't know), and you can rest assured that this will be emphasized. If we don't sell them the airliners, Airbus certainly will and what is to be gained by such a decision other than making GOP Congresscritters feel rough and tough?

Tom Joad 12-11-2016 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 341646)
Boeing says this deal means 100K jobs (whether true or not, I don't know),

From the article it looks like this is for 109 planes.

That's almost 1,000 Rosie the Riveters per plane.

What the fuck are they gonna build?

Battlestar Galacticas?

finnbow 12-11-2016 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 341653)
From the article it looks like this is for 109 planes.

That's almost 1,000 Rosie the Riveters per plane.

What the fuck are they gonna build?

Battlestar Galacticas?

There's a lot more to designing, testing and building a modern plane that riveting. That said, I'm sure the 100K figure is just thrown out there to a make a point, whether true or not. You should know about this tactic considering your fondness for Trump.

BlueStreak 12-11-2016 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 341632)
If Trump comes out in favor of the deal on a jobs basis, Congressional Republicans won't know whether to shit or go blind. Should be fun to watch.

Exactly my point. Have to keep an eye on this one.

finnbow 12-11-2016 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 341667)
Exactly my point. Have to keep an eye on this one.

It's only a matter of time before Trump and the GOP Congress go at each other tooth and nail, whether on this issue or another. Should be great theater.

Rajoo 12-11-2016 08:37 PM

This one will be worth watching closely especially the financing of the $17 Billion.
If only Trump can figure out a way to claim credit for making this deal...............

finnbow 12-11-2016 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 341675)
This one will be worth watching closely especially the financing of the $17 Billion.
If only Trump can figure out a way to claim credit for making this deal...............

That'll really freak out the anti-Iran deal hawks.

bobabode 12-11-2016 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 341675)
This one will be worth watching closely especially the financing of the $17 Billion.
If only Trump can figure out a way to claim credit for making this deal...............

Maybe Boeing will give the Cheetolini a 10% discount on Hair Force One?

nailer 12-12-2016 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 341675)
This one will be worth watching closely especially the financing of the $17 Billion.
If only Trump can figure out a way to claim credit for making this deal...............

There's no figuring involved. He just does it.

whell 12-12-2016 10:11 AM

Well, now that we're a country that makes deals with state-sponsors of terrorism, let's go all in and sell them some 737's and 777's. Why not?

bobabode 12-12-2016 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 341712)
Well, now that we're a country that makes deals with state-sponsors of terrorism, let's go all in and sell them some 737's and 777's. Why not?

Reagan sold them missiles. Why shouldn't we sell them passenger jets?

BlueStreak 12-12-2016 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 341712)
Well, now that we're a country that makes deals with state-sponsors of terrorism, let's go all in and sell them some 737's and 777's. Why not?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 341713)
Reagan sold them missiles. Why shouldn't we sell them passenger jets?

Well, that was St. Ronnie, pilgrim! Don't you know you there is a separate standard for anyone who promises cheap bastards a tax cut? :rolleyes:

whell 12-12-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 341713)
Reagan sold them missiles. Why shouldn't we sell them passenger jets?

Great. A bit of historical revisionism thrown in to the thread. Nice job.

bobabode 12-12-2016 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 341718)
Great. A bit of historical revisionism thrown in to the thread. Nice job.

Educate yourself, Mike before exposing your ignorance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E...3Contra_affair

You can thank me later.

Tom Joad 12-12-2016 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 341718)
Great. A bit of historical revisionism thrown in to the thread. Nice job.

You stepped in shit there Whelly.

The Ministry of Truth hasn't gotten around to scrubbing the Iran-Contra scandal yet.

whell 12-26-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 341720)
Educate yourself, Mike before exposing your ignorance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E...3Contra_affair

You can thank me later.

From your link (did you even read it first)?

To this day, Reagan's role in the transactions is not definitively known; it is unclear exactly what Reagan knew and when, and whether the arms sales were motivated by his desire to save the U.S. hostages.

So yes, thank you for that link.

donquixote99 12-26-2016 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 342816)
From your link (did you even read it first)?

To this day, Reagan's role in the transactions is not definitively known; it is unclear exactly what Reagan knew and when, and whether the arms sales were motivated by his desire to save the U.S. hostages.

So yes, thank you for that link.

That particular bit of wikipedia text is a non-footnoted conclusion. It therefore does not meet wikipedia's encyclopedia standards for support, and is completely non-authoritative. It's a very thin reed to base a claim of Reagan's innocence, especially considering the footnoted facts that immediately follow in the wikipedia article:

Quote:

Oliver North wrote that "Ronald Reagan knew of and approved a great deal of what went on with both the Iranian initiative and private efforts on behalf of the contras and he received regular, detailed briefings on both...I have no doubt that he was told about the use of residuals for the Contras, and that he approved it. Enthusiastically."[82] Handwritten notes by Defense Secretary Weinberger indicate that the President was aware of potential hostages transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to what he was told were "moderate elements" within Iran.[8] Notes taken on December 7, 1985, by Weinberger record that Reagan said that "he could answer charges of illegality but he couldn't answer charge [sic] that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free hostages'".[8] The Republican-written "Report of the Congressional Committees Investigating the Iran-Contra Affair" concluded, that
There is some question and dispute about precisely the level at which he chose to follow the operation details. There is no doubt, however, ... [that] the President set the US policy towards Nicaragua, with few if any ambiguities, and then left subordinates more or less free to implement it.[83]

Based on the above, the answer to the question 'What did Reagan know?' is 'Plenty.' And the answer to 'When did he know it?' is 'As it happened.'

MrPots 12-26-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 341670)
It's only a matter of time before Trump and the GOP Congress go at each other tooth and nail, whether on this issue or another. Should be great theater.

I wouldn't be so sure. Republicans have an uncanny way of "falling in line" no matter how contentious or repulsive the issue.

donquixote99 12-26-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 342822)
I wouldn't be so sure. Republicans have an uncanny way of "falling in line" no matter how contentious or repulsive the issue.

See my post on 'coordination.' Republican coordination appears to have been immediate and nearly absolute.

MrPots 12-26-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 342824)
See my post on 'coordination.' Republican coordination appears to have been immediate and nearly absolute.

horrifyingly so......

whell 12-26-2016 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 342821)
That particular bit of wikipedia text is a non-footnoted conclusion. It therefore does not meet wikipedia's encyclopedia standards for support, and is completely non-authoritative. '

BS. It ties to footnote 83.

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 342821)
Based on the above, the answer to the question 'What did Reagan know?' is 'Plenty.' And the answer to 'When did he know it?' is 'As it happened.'

BS. The answer to the question "What did Don find that the Tower Commission invsetigation didn't?" is "More of nothing."

donquixote99 12-26-2016 03:20 PM

Bs. Bs.

donquixote99 12-26-2016 03:24 PM

BTW, why does your machine let you post BS, all caps, at the beginning of a sentence, while mine doesn't?

finnbow 12-26-2016 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 342837)
BS. It ties to footnote 83.

BS. The answer to the question "What did Don find that the Tower Commission invsetigation didn't?" is "More of nothing."

Reagan maintained plausible deniability with regard to Iran-Contra despite the fact that 14 people around him were charged with crimes for implementing his directive to his NSA, Robert McFarlane, to "to do whatever you have to do to help these people (the Contras) keep body and soul together," despite the Boland Amendment specifically prohibiting it.

Your choice to deny Reagan's complicity (either by directing action or by deliberately maintaining plausible deniability of the illegal activities of large numbers of his close staff) can only be attributed to a desire to maintain the conservative hagiography surrounding Reagan. When fourteen people around the President are charged with crimes in this affair, I prefer to go with the notion that the buck stops with the President. YMMV.

d-ray657 12-26-2016 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 342839)
BTW, why does your machine let you post BS, all caps, at the beginning of a sentence, while mine doesn't?

Do you have auto-correct on? Mine always gives me issues when I try to type "cc" at the end of a letter. It wants "Cc"


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