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barbara 12-01-2016 08:20 AM

Bernie Speaks Up
 
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Tom Joad 12-01-2016 08:25 AM

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It is not good enough to save some of these jobs. Trump made a promise that he would save all of these jobs,
Oh fer Christ sake!

The man isn't even President yet and he's saved 1,000 of those Carrier jobs.

That's 1,000 more than Obummer saved and he is the President.

finnbow 12-01-2016 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 340471)
Oh fer Christ sake!

The man isn't even President yet and he's saved 1,000 of those Carrier jobs.

That's 1,000 more than Obummer saved and he is the President.

Actually, it's about 799,000 fewer.

donquixote99 12-01-2016 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 340471)
Oh fer Christ sake!

The man isn't even President yet and he's saved 1,000 of those Carrier jobs.

That's 1,000 more than Obummer saved and he is the President.

So, Trump vs. Bernie, you defend Trump. No bro are you.

You are Trump-boy!

Tom Joad 12-01-2016 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 340472)
Actually, it's about 799,000 fewer.

I'm talking specifically about the Carrier jobs moron.

Obummer didn't lift a finger to help save them.

We'll have to wait eight years to find out how much better Trump will be for the economy than Obummer has been in his eight years.

nailer 12-01-2016 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 340472)
Actually, it's about 799,000 fewer.

Most of those jobs your bringing up don't compare to the Carrier jobs just saved. The Carrier jobs were leaving because Obama is a Globalization kind of guy.

icenine 12-01-2016 09:38 AM

Hillary got castigated for giving paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. Now Trump is filling his administration with Goldman Sachs corporate Masters Of The Universe type money changers.

Thanks Bernie.

finnbow 12-01-2016 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 340479)
Most of those jobs your bringing up don't compare to the Carrier jobs just saved. The Carrier jobs were leaving because Obama is a Globalization kind of guy.

The auto industry jobs don't compare? In any event, Trump's grandstanding at Indiana taxpayer expense is not a sustainable model.

Tom Joad 12-01-2016 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 340488)
Hillary got castigated for giving paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. Now Trump is filling his administration with Goldman Sachs corporate Masters Of The Universe type money changers.

The difference being Hillary Clinton was owned by them and she owed them big time and would be delivering for them when she got to be President.

Trump on the other hand doesn't owe them a Goddamned thing. If anything, he owns them, not vise versa.

finnbow 12-01-2016 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 340492)
The difference being Hillary Clinton was owned by them and she owed them big time and would be delivering for them when she got to be President.

Trump on the other hand doesn't owe them a Goddamned thing. If anything, he owns them, not vise versa.

He owes the Bank of China nearly a $1 billion in loans? Who owns whom? I can't decide if you are more bitter, stupid or naive. Kind of a toss-up, I suppose.

icenine 12-01-2016 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 340492)
The difference being Hillary Clinton was owned by them and she owed them big time and would be delivering for them when she got to be President.

Trump on the other hand doesn't owe them a Goddamned thing. If anything, he owns them, not vise versa.

LOL


Oh is that why they are going repeal Dodd-Frank now that Ryan is in charge?

Thanks Bernie.

Rajoo 12-01-2016 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 340488)
Hillary got castigated for giving paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. Now Trump is filling his administration with Goldman Sachs corporate Masters Of The Universe type money changers.

Thanks Bernie.

This simply proves that "money is the root of all evil" and both Hillary and Trump are evil people. ;)

barbara 12-01-2016 10:43 AM

So, in regards to what Bernie said..... Does this deal set a precedent for other companies to ask to be paid to keep their jobs here and not outsource them?

Will the average line worker have to pay (more taxes) to keep their job?

And, we still haven't heard all the details. How long is Carrier obligated to keep those jobs here? Are they going to outsource them in five years?

icenine 12-01-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 340517)
So, in regards to what Bernie said..... Does this deal set a precedent for other companies to ask to be paid to keep their jobs here and not outsource them?

Will the average line worker have to pay (more taxes) to keep their job?

And, we still haven't heard all the details. How long is Carrier obligated to keep those jobs here? Are they going to outsource them in five years?

This was Pence more than anything since he is still the governor and was the one who could move the money around to award the $700,000 annual tax break.

I am glad the workers kept their jobs but this is not what Trump was promising. Carrier and other companies can do exactly all the things they want to as far as taking advantage of the global economy and the opportunities it offers.

barbara 12-01-2016 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 340522)
This was Pence more than anything since he is still the governor and was the one who could move the money around to award the $700,000 annual tax break.



I am glad the workers kept their jobs but this is not what Trump was promising. Carrier and other companies can do exactly all the things they want to as far as taking advantage of the global economy and the opportunities it offers.



Right, Pence was what made the deal work. In typical Trump fashion, someone else does the heavy lifting and trump takes the credit.

But, once they both take on the presidency and vice presidency, I think they won't be able to continue to make these kinds of deals. Maybe I'm wrong, but seem to me this deal only worked because Pence is still gov of Indiana.

Tom Joad 12-01-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 340522)
This was Pence more than anything since he is still the governor and was the one who could move the money around to award the $700,000 annual tax break.

Well then, there you have it.

It was Pence not Trump.

Trump will make much better deals once he gets in office.

He will make great deals.

Tremendous deals.

The best deals. :)

merrylander 12-01-2016 02:38 PM

BS Carrier is keeping only 800 jobs here the rest still go to Mexico.

finnbow 12-01-2016 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 340529)
Well then, there you have it.

It was Pence not Trump.

Trump will make much better deals once he gets in office.

He will make great deals.

Tremendous deals.

The best deals. :)

In typical Trump form, he's making "deals" with other people's money (in this case Indiana taxpayers). Once he's put into a position of having to craft actual economic and industrial policy, he'll be about as clueless as you are.

68custom 12-01-2016 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 340478)
I'm talking specifically about the Carrier jobs moron.

Obummer didn't lift a finger to help save them.

We'll have to wait eight years to find out how much better Trump will be for the economy than Obummer has been in his eight years.

I am kinda hoping he will get kicked to the curb after four...

BlueStreak 12-02-2016 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 340471)
Oh fer Christ sake!

The man isn't even President yet and he's saved 1,000 of those Carrier jobs.

That's 1,000 more than Obummer saved and he is the President.

I once thought you were okay.

I was wrong.

You think a few hundred jobs saved, (arguably), by a showboating blowhard that couldn't even remember making the promise in the first place is the dawn of a new age of re-industrialization? You should have travelled to Cincinnati to worship your savior like all of the other grinning fairytale believers.

The American economy hit bottom in 2009 and has been steadily recovering ever since. All your Lord and Master is doing is trying to grab credit for things that very well might have happened if he never existed.

Fuck Trump.

Dondilion 12-02-2016 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 340479)
The Carrier jobs were leaving because Obama is a Globalization kind of guy.

He seems to be a true believer.

However Trump key appointments so far might be a better mark of where Trump is going and the Carrier deal is more than likely just throwing a bone.

I am getting a gut feeling that Obama and Trump are on the same page...Trump is not draining the swamp. :D

nailer 12-02-2016 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 340606)
He seems to be a true believer.

However Trump key appointments so far might be a better mark of where Trump is going and the Carrier deal is more than likely just throwing a bone.

I am getting a gut feeling that Obama and Trump are on the same page...Trump is not draining the swamp. :D

I'm beginning 1/20/17 with Who's Next. :cool:

American Fascism goosesteps onward and downward.

JCricket 12-02-2016 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rajoo (Post 340506)
this simply proves that "money is the root of all evil" and both hillary and trump are evil people. ;)

qft!!!!

JCricket 12-02-2016 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 340529)
Well then, there you have it.

It was Pence not Trump.

Trump will make much better deals once he gets in office.

He will make great deals.

Tremendous deals.

The best deals. :)

You do a good impression of trump! Seriously, I thought this was funny, no malice intended here.

Tom Joad 12-02-2016 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JCricket (Post 340621)
You do a good impression of trump! Seriously, I thought this was funny, no malice intended here.

Thanks!

I'd like to take all the credit for that, but I can't.

I saw Donquixote do it a while back and I thought it was hilarious so I stole the idea from him. :D

MrPots 12-02-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 340492)
The difference being Hillary Clinton was owned by them and she owed them big time and would be delivering for them when she got to be President.

Trump on the other hand doesn't owe them a Goddamned thing. If anything, he owns them, not vise versa.

How much does Trump borrow from them to keep his operations afloat?


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