Global Warming Ends....
 

Global average temperatures over land have plummeted by more than 1C since the middle of this year – their biggest and steepest fall on record. According to satellite data, the late 2016 temperatures are returning to the levels they were at after the 1998 El Nino.

The news comes amid mounting evidence that the recent run of world record high temperatures is about to end.

The fall, revealed by Nasa satellite measurements of the lower atmosphere, has been caused by the end of El Nino – the warming of surface waters in a vast area of the Pacific west of Central America.

Some scientists, including Dr Gavin Schmidt, head of Nasa’s climate division, have claimed that the recent highs were mainly the result of long-term global warming.

Others have argued that the records were caused by El Nino, a complex natural phenomenon that takes place every few years, and has nothing to do with greenhouse gas emissions by humans.

The new fall in temperatures suggests they were right.

http://www.thegwpf.com/record-drop-i...-warming-ends/

So, a natural phenomenon is coming to an end. Bummer. An early spring is a pretty welcome event here in MI. Now it looks like we're going to have our usual White Christmas and snow storms like crazy...just like we'ere supposed to have here in the North.

Crap. I miss global warming already.

Dream on, Whell.

You'd rather have global warming Bob? Or do you just think we'll have a warm winter in MI?

2016 is the hottest year on record, just that September 2016 was 0.072 degrees F cooler than last year. It's depressing to see the lack of snow here in Tahoe or if it snows, it melts very quickly.

No, I'm saying you're being ridiculous in the face of overwhelming evidence. You really should've posted this in the 'Conspiracy Theory' section.

That's a fake think tank, Whell, founded specifically to fight back against the findings of the world's preeminent climate scientists and directed by a social anthropologist, not a climate scientist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global...icy_Foundation

It's warmer here in Mobile Alabama in the winter than it was in Pinellas County Florida when I was growing up in the 1950's. And this is 380 miles northwest as the crow flies.

Right, because climate "consensus" masquerading as science, complete with its contrived modeling and altered data, must be believed no matter what. :rolleyes:

Oops, busted.

Global Warming is for real Whelly.

You're just going to have to get used to that.

Just as the Hillarybots are going to have to get used to the fact that Trump is for real.

I'm not a hard core global warming guy. OTOH, I don't trust a pseudo-scientific think tank founded by a social anthropologist with an agenda. One dubious data point/assertion does not a trend make, no matter how much you want to believe it.

I have been driving up and down from Portland since '96 and South Lake Tahoe since '97. One only needs to look at Mt. Shasta, Lake Shasta, the Western Sierra mountains and Lake Tahoe to see the long term effects of global warming.

This past year Lake Shasta filled up and was still full when I drove through a month back, but they did get over 8" of rain from one storm. As to Lake Tahoe, snow melts rapidly and this is water run off and does not end up in the lake. Lake Tahoe is still several feet short of normal.

There were once giant Sequoias growing above the arctic circle.
Think of the current global warming as a big restoral project, bringing the earth back the way it was before man was even here. It's like cleaning the pots and replacing all the electrolytics in your amp, brings it right back to new condition.

Nor do a bunch of manufactured, dubious data points.

Of course not. Yet real data does.

Global Warming deniers are as ridiculous as Holocaust deniers are dangerous. It makes me depressive to see repeatedly how much crap is posted here in this forum by intelligent people.

What makes the Black Forest being the world famous Black Forest? Conifers (mostly spruce and fir trees) almost everywhere. In the next decades the conifers will disappear because of the Global Warming. I have a big spruce and a big fir tree in my garden, and since 2013 I have to water them in July and August, and a lot of municipal conifers died in the last years. Spruce and fir trees are shallow-rooted trees, as solitary trees they can't survive without being watered since the consequences of Global Warming have become so serious.

By the way, how is your lawn in always sunny California, folks? Did you replace it by dead pebbles with some little miserably looking desert plants in between? This becomes more and more common here. A tragedy.

I actually feel sorry for the folks who buy into this tripe. How many "intelligent people" bought into the hysteria that surrounded Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth"? The folks promoting the film proclaimed the world would end in 10 years if we didn't act "now". Well, that "now" was in 2006, and 10 years later (which would have been summer 2016) the planet is still habitable. I wonder how many of those "intelligent people" are bothered by the fact that we're all still here?

Al Gore wasn't the first with hysterical predictions of doom. There we many "intelligent people" who marked the occasion of Earth Day in 1970 to offer apocalyptic warnings of the Earth's hastening demise. Remember Barry Commoner? Paul Ehrlich? These guys gained much notoriety and sold lots of books predicting the near term end of civilization on Earth. That hundreds of thousands would die in the early '70's from smog poisoning in Los Angeles alone. That all the freshwater fish would see the oxygen sucked out of the water by "organic pollutants" and the poor fish would all be dead.

Of course, back then, global cooling was a big concern. We were supposed to be in a new Ice Age by now. Apparently, El Nino didn't get that memo.

You are denying the FACTS like a Nazi denies the Holocaust, it does not make sense to discuss the topic with you, Sir.

It does not make sense to discuss anything with Whell. He knows why he is here, and it is to fight and denounce. He will never do anything else, no matter what.

I don't worry about it. The most respected scientists on both sides of the global warming argument agree we are past the point of no return. We could all go solar and nuclear tomorrow and it would make no difference.

Buy stock in AC manufacturers.

I take it that means your new house is at a higher elevation than your old one.

It is! No flood insurance required. But it is still on an island - if the Gore-pocalypse occurs in the 20 or so years I have left on the planet we'll just throw the cats in the boat and rebuild inland.

So the question is, how long do we have, and what do we do with that time?

Well, that's what the two sides spend a lot of time yelling at each other about.

I say just do what you can not to ad to the problem and live like you mean it.

Stock up on suntan lotion and buy a boat, just in case.

I'm at 95 feet, so I figure I'm good for a while.

I own the place outright, so what I need to do is figure out where my window will be for mortgaging it up to the hilt so I can take the money and run, leaving the bank holding the bag when the tide rolls in. ;)

Cool, another Nazi comparison. :rolleyes:

I presented facts. You just don't happen to like the facts I presented. Glad to see all of these open minds around here. :rolleyes:

Nope. Lately I come here just to laugh at some of the unhinged lunacy that my lefty friends are posting. Its great fun.

^^^ QED. Insult with affectation of amusement falls in the class 'fight and denounce.'

Calling the site you linked to 'fact based' is quite the stretch, even for you, Mike. Don't pull a hammy, bro. ;)

I think this is the Trump effect. All the conspiracy theories are beginning to surface along with the Flag burning controversy to keep the low information voters in a lather.

Facts about prognosticators and fortune tellers do not make science. My sneakers are white too. What does that have to do with global warming.

Yeah, lots of people have predicted doom, and incorrectly. However, this time science has a load of supporting evidence. One example, we are in the middle of a mass extinction. Even if it is isn't global warming, were are just as screwed. The final straw that comes is only a matter of when, that is not known.

The 1970 Earth Day doom and gloomers thought they had a load of supporting evidence too. They wrote books and cited all manner of "scientific studies" and findings to support their conclusions.

Speaking of a "load", have no fear. Jerry Brown has...ahem...taken matters into his own hands by regulating cow farts and cow poop. The dairy industry in California will either comply or close up shop. Since Cali is one of the nations largest producers of dairy products, anything made with dairy is going to cost more in the future, all in the name of protecting us from cow farts.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...01520160SB1383

Not to worry, Monsanto is working on GM cattle feed containing sea weed. ;)

I dislike my Nazi comparison by myself - but sorry - denying Global Warming makes me FURIOUS, so I used this harsh comparison.

I am affected by Global Warming, I can see the consequences when I look into my garden, so I get the seriousness of this threat in an opressive manner. And I am not the only one here in our forum community.

We are 70 feet above the 100 year flood plain and 400 feet above sea level.:p

well, I am at 5400ft above sea level. No worries for me to get flooded. Water is kind of a scarce commodity here sometime though.

The people who have the most to worry about are in the first ten feet above sea level, as they now are about 9.5 feet above sea level.

As our heat sinks get depleted, the climate swings will grow dramatically. Farmers are going to get their asses kicked.

It will stop the methane because it will probably kill the cattle if I know Monsanto/Bayer.

A lot of the worlds agriculture depends on spring snowmelt from the higher elevations. It will be more than just farmers getting their asses kicked when there's not enough groceries to go around.