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Tom Joad 11-22-2016 08:54 AM

Everybody likes a winner
 
Better jump on the bandwaggon Hillarybots, the rest of the country is leaving you behind. :D

http://theweek.com/speedreads/663220...e-election-day

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President-elect Donald Trump's favorability has grown by 9 points since the election, a Politico/Morning Consult poll out Monday revealed. Trump now has a favorable standing among 46 percent of registered voters, up from 37 percent right before the election. Meanwhile, the percentage of registered voters with an unfavorable opinion of Trump has dropped 15 points, from 61 percent to 46 percent. "Trump's favorability among voters has reached new highs since he became president-elect," said Morning Consult co-founder Kyle Dropp, though he noted "this honeymoon phase is common for new presidents."

Pio1980 11-22-2016 09:09 AM

"Everybody" likes a winner?
As someone who was never a "Hillarybot", "Never!" comes instanteously to mind.
Fuck him, and especially, fuck the horse he rode in on.

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Tom Joad 11-22-2016 09:14 AM

I think this big post election bump in Trumps favorability is an excellent example of what I was talking about when I said that the DNC handing Hillary a 400 super delegate lead before voting even started, thereby setting the narrative that she was already the winner was tantamount to rigging the primaries.

Pio1980 11-22-2016 09:22 AM

Never would I have ever thought I'd find myself, in my lifetime, in a similar position as those who opposed the Nazis. Hopefully, it will remain far less hazardous to be so now.


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Tom Joad 11-22-2016 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 339469)
Never would I have ever thought I'd find myself, in my lifetime, in a similar position as those who opposed the Nazis.

And you are not now either.

To suggest that you are is ludicrous.

donquixote99 11-22-2016 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 339471)
And you are not now either.

To suggest that you are is ludicrous.

Your very persona puts the lie to your assurances.

Boreas 11-22-2016 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 339464)
Better jump on the bandwaggon Hillarybots, the rest of the country is leaving you behind. :D

http://theweek.com/speedreads/663220...e-election-day

At best, this is the reaction to the "Give him a chance" meme that's the media is pushing. The truth is that, after seeing the kinds of people he's bringing into his administration, his approval rating should have dropped. At worst, it's a clear indication of how fucked we are as a people.

Pio1980 11-22-2016 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 339471)
And you are not now either.

To suggest that you are is ludicrous.

Given that this demagogue ran on similar tactics, substituting immigration for Jews, and succeeded, we are to expect, what, from a favorably loaded congress, house, and, probably judiciary?
The obvious difference is that this is a dog that caught a car, the other guy played his game with Machevellian cunning and preperation. Our guy will play it litetally by ear, surrounded by sycophants, policy hacks, and a party with an agenda openly hostile to American Progressivism.
Mebbe Trumpcare will come with an affordable jar of working man's KY lube, they'll need it.

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Tom Joad 11-22-2016 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 339472)
Your very persona puts the lie to your assurances.

You have a point.

I have, in the past, advocated sending certain people to North Korean Style forced labor camps. At that time I was limiting this to Republicans. However, I now feel that Hillaybots should also be put into the mix.

Tom Joad 11-22-2016 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 339478)
Given that this demagogue ran on similar tactics, substituting immigration for Jews, and succeeded, we are to expect, what, from a favorably loaded congress, house, and, probably judiciary?
The obvious difference is that this is a dog that caught a car, the other guy played his game with Machevellian cunning and preperation. Our guy will play it litetally by ear, surrounded by sycophants, policy hacks, and a party with an agenda openly hostile to American Progressivism.
Mebbe Trumpcare will come with an affordable jar of working man's KY lube, they'll need it.

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I haven't seen Trump advocating putting people in concentration camps.

Nor have I seen him looking to foment any wars of imperialist aggressive like we have seen the Clinton's and the Bush's do.

donquixote99 11-22-2016 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 339480)
You have a point.

I have, in the past, advocated sending certain people to North Korean Style forced labor camps. At that time I was limiting this to Republicans. However, I now feel that Hillaybots should also be put into the mix.

Sometime doubling down just gets you way deeper into the pit.

Tom Joad 11-22-2016 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 339487)
Sometime doubling down just gets you way deeper into the pit.

Chill out Don.

It's just my version of "Locker Room Talk":D

Dondilion 11-22-2016 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 339478)
Given that this demagogue ran on similar tactics, substituting immigration for Jews,

You really believe that BS?

Reagan gave amnesty to 3.2 million in 1986

Still the illegals swelled to 11 million. They have more lawyers, politicians and lobbyists working for them than citizens have. Hence--Sanctuary Cities.

Right now Central Americans are handing over, on the southern borders, thousands of their people to US tax payers while an impotent government fiddles and the human smuggling industry smiles.

Pio1980 11-22-2016 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 339481)
I haven't seen Trump advocating putting people in concentration camps.

Nor have I seen him looking to foment any wars of imperialist aggressive like we have seen the Clinton's and the Bush's do.

Seriously?

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Boreas 11-22-2016 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 339490)
You really believe that BS?

Reagan gave amnesty to 3.2 million in 1986

Still the illegals swelled to 11 million. They have more lawyers, politicians and lobbyists working for them than citizens have. Hence--Sanctuary Cities.

Right now Central Americans are handing over, on the southern borders, thousands of their people to US tax payers while an impotent government fiddles and the human smuggling industry smiles.

What are you really afraid of. No, really.

Pio1980 11-22-2016 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 339490)
You really believe that BS?

Reagan gave amnesty to 3.2 million in 1986

Still the illegals swelled to 11 million. They have more lawyers, politicians and lobbyists working for them than citizens have. Hence--Sanctuary Cities.

Right now Central Americans are handing over, on the southern borders, thousands of their kids to US tax payers while an impotent government fiddles and the human smuggling industry smiles.

I'm talking about his campaign vs AH, you are deflecting to Reagan and immigration.
He ran as a demagogue, and succeded.

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Tom Joad 11-22-2016 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 339492)
Seriously?

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Yeah, seriously.

Pio1980 11-22-2016 10:26 AM

Muslim internment centers, anyone?

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Boreas 11-22-2016 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 339496)
Yeah, seriously.

Then you have just confirmed to all of us here that you are a moron.

JCricket 11-22-2016 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 339481)
I haven't seen Trump advocating putting people in concentration camps.

Nor have I seen him looking to foment any wars of imperialist aggressive like we have seen the Clinton's and the Bush's do.

How the "jew" problem was handled, at least in the beginning. The "muslim registry" has spooky similarities. Of course as of now, it is still speculative if it would even happen.
A cut and paste from the US holocaust memorial museum
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article...uleId=10007901

ANTISEMITIC LEGISLATION 1933–1939

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Antisemitism and the persecution of Jews were central tenets of Nazi ideology. In their 25-point party program published in 1920, Nazi party members publicly declared their intention to segregate Jews from “Aryan” society and to abrogate their political, legal, and civil rights.

Nazi leaders began to make good on their pledge to persecute German Jews soon after their assumption of power. During the first six years of Hitler's dictatorship, from 1933 until the outbreak of war in 1939, Jews felt the effects of more than 400 decrees and regulations that restricted all aspects of their public and private lives. Many of these were national laws that had been issued by the German administration and affected all Jews. But state, regional, and municipal officials, acting on their own initiatives, also promulgated a barrage of exclusionary decrees in their own communities. Thus, hundreds of individuals in all levels of government throughout the country were involved in the persecution of Jews as they conceived, discussed, drafted, adopted, enforced, and supported anti-Jewish legislation. No corner of Germany was left untouched.

Tom Joad 11-22-2016 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 339499)
Muslim internment centers, anyone?

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Where has Trump suggested any such thing?

I'm talking about Trump himself, not some lunatic fringe wacko that says he voted for Trump.

Dondilion 11-22-2016 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 339494)
I'm talking about his campaign vs AH, you are deflecting to Reagan and immigration.
He ran as a demagogue, and succeded.

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You are comparing this demogogue's reaction re immigration to Hitler's campaign against the Jews.

Trump has a legitimate complain and his solution set is not draconian.

Hitler is unique.

Pio1980 11-22-2016 10:37 AM

Hitler was unique in competence, that is true.
Could someone please explain exactly how immigration is such a massive overwhelming problem in displaced employment and dollars and cents lost to the economy from a credible source not linked to xenophobes.

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JCricket 11-22-2016 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 339505)
Hitler was unique in competence, that is true.
Could someone please explain exactly how immigration is such a massive overwhelming problem in displaced employment and dollars and cents lost to the economy from a credible source not linked to xenophobes.

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Could someone please explain exactly how immigration is such a massive overwhelming problem in dollars and cents lost to the economy from a credible source.

This is/would be my question. I haven't found an a reliable answer on the effects of immigration and our economy, at least not nationally.

Dondilion 11-22-2016 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 339505)
Hitler was unique in competence, that is true.
Could someone please explain exactly how immigration is such a massive overwhelming problem in displaced employment and dollars and cents lost to the economy from a credible source not linked to xenophobes.

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It is a massive problem to people who observe a massive flouting of existing laws and who feel that their elected representatives are playing them... essentially one set is seeking cheap labor and another seeking a huge potential voting block.

They see amnesty generating more amnesties.

Tom Joad 11-22-2016 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JCricket (Post 339506)
Could someone please explain exactly how immigration is such a massive overwhelming problem in dollars and cents lost to the economy from a credible source.

This is/would be my question. I haven't found an a reliable answer on the effects of immigration and our economy, at least not nationally.

The way I see it certain people benefit by taking advantage of cheap labor. These are mostly upper middle class and above.

Others get screwed because the abundance of cheap labor either puts them out of work, or lowers the prevailing wage for the jobs they can get. These are people at the middle and lower end of the economic ladder.

So I think it's not so much the net overall impact that's important as it is the fact that some people make out like bandits while others get fucked.

And it's generally the fuckees that voted for trump.

CarlV 11-22-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 339464)
Better jump on the bandwaggon Hillarybots, the rest of the country is leaving you behind. :D

http://theweek.com/speedreads/663220...e-election-day

Anything HRC is yesterday's news my friend. So you a Trump fanboy now? Going to join of the the Nazi Alt-right groups that Trump seems to love so much?
The news from now on is broken promises and what people do when they find out he has no idea what to do, promises things that are not things a POTUS can do and attacks everybody who doesn't suck his.....
You tube press conferences lol.:rolleyes:

Carl

Rajoo 11-22-2016 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 339509)
The way I see it certain people benefit by taking advantage of cheap labor. These are mostly upper middle class and above.

Others get screwed because the abundance of cheap labor either puts them out of work, or lowers the prevailing wage for the jobs they can get. These are people at the middle and lower end of the economic ladder.

So I think it's not so much the net overall impact that's important as it is the fact that some people make out like bandits while others get fucked.

And it's generally the fuckees that voted for trump.

Actually there is quite a bit of impact in the lower paying jobs such as food service, landscape and non-union construction. And the owners of these businesses do make out like bandits, but they would also claim that they had no other choice.

CarlV 11-22-2016 11:02 AM

By the way,
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President-elect Donald Trump has decided that he won’t seek criminal investigations related to former rival Hillary Clinton’s private email server or her family foundation, his campaign manager said Tuesday

Trump’s apparent decision, conveyed by Kellyanne Conway in an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,’’ is a change from his campaign rhetoric, in which he issued incendiary calls for a special prosecutor to reopen the FBI’s closed investigation of Clinton’s use of a private server while serving as secretary of state and had also urged investigations of allegations of corruption at the Clinton Foundation. He nicknamed the Democratic nominee “Crooked Hillary” and encouraged chants of “Lock her up!” at his rallies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...dd3_story.html

Boreas 11-22-2016 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 339508)
It is a massive problem to people who observe a massive flouting of existing laws and who feel that their elected representatives are playing them... essentially one set is seeking cheap labor and another seeking a huge potential voting block.

They see amnesty generating more amnesties.

Thank god Trump saved us from that flood of 650 million immigrants. What a week that would have been!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...llion-people-/

CarlV 11-22-2016 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 339513)
Actually there is quite a bit of impact in the lower paying jobs such as food service, landscape and non-union construction. And the owners of these businesses do make out like bandits, but they would also claim that they had no other choice.

Like people who own hotels and such?

Carl

Tom Joad 11-22-2016 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 339510)
Anything HRC is yesterday's news my friend. So you a Trump fanboy now? Going to join of the the Nazi Alt-right groups that Trump seems to love so much?
Carl

Sure, anybody who isn't attending the daily two minute Trump hate like ya'll are is a Nazi. You guys do take roll every morning don't you. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 339510)
The news from now on is broken promises and what people do when they find out he has no idea what to do, promises things that are not things a POTUS can do and attacks everybody who doesn't suck his.....
You tube press conferences lol.:rolleyes:

Carl

OMG!

You mean he might not keep all his campaign promises!?

That'll be a first in Political History. :rolleyes:

sheltiedave 11-22-2016 11:04 AM

Tom, did you notice the $25 million Trump is paying to settle his fraud case. The only reason to settle is guilt, and he gets a huuuuge tax write off...again.

CarlV 11-22-2016 11:06 AM

I am more interested in how he is going to pull off the clean coal fantasy. More BS.


Carl

Tom Joad 11-22-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 339514)

Oh No!

A broken promise!

You must be outraged!

Tom Joad 11-22-2016 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 339518)
Tom, did you notice the $25 million Trump is paying to settle his fraud case. The only reason to settle is guilt, and he gets a huuuuge tax write off...again.

Actually the potential cost of litigation in both time and money is often a reason that people settle even if they are not guilty.

Dondilion 11-22-2016 11:11 AM

Flynn on CNN Fareed's GPS last Sunday was a breath of fresh air. I am so glad we will not have that wacko--Breedlove.

Tom Joad 11-22-2016 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 339519)
I am more interested in how he is going to pull off the clean coal fantasy. More BS.


Carl

Trump's gonna suck on the environment, but then so was Hillary as the "Fracker in Chief".

Tom Joad 11-22-2016 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 339513)
And the owners of these businesses do make out like bandits, but they would also claim that they had no other choice.

I suppose there is some truth to that.

If the average American can get his burger for 10 cents less by going accross the street to the place that hires cheap illegals, he'll do it.

Wasillaguy 11-22-2016 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 339523)
Trump's gonna suck on the environment, but then so was Hillary as the "Fracker in Chief".

Not to worry. Obama delivered on his promise to stop the rise of the oceans, providing a buffer that allows for more polluting under Trump, and we're even Steven at the end!


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