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Tom Joad 11-16-2016 08:27 AM

And the 2016 Ralph Nader Award Goes to… Bernie Sanders
 
http://time.com/4569766/bernie-sande...ph-nader-2016/

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Sanders distracted Hillary Clinton from creating a unified vision for the future

On Election Day, Senator Bernie Sanders earned the 2016 “Ralph Nader Award” for the Leftist Most Responsible for Helping Republicans Win the Presidency. True, Donald Trump cleverly exploited voters’ frustrations. And Hillary Clinton’s campaign in 2016 was as rigid and empty as it was when she lost in 2008. Still, Sanders helped Clinton lose. His insurgency pushed her too far left to prevent an effective re-centering in the fall, while goading her into wooing different constituencies rather than uniting the nation.
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"I turn on the tube and what do I see?
A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me"
They point their crooked little fingers at everybody else
Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves"

nailer 11-16-2016 08:34 AM

Hillarybot loser spin.

icenine 11-16-2016 09:06 AM

Bernie standing up in huge stadiums castigating Clinton did not really help his progressive goals.

Outcomes matter not emotion.

Hillary flawed? Of course. So is the electorate. If people who supported Sanders were so dense as to not vote for Hillary on 8 November then whatever Trump does to them is their own fault.

I am proud to be a Hillarybot. That shine will fade from Sanders as Trump threatens our democracy.

Tom Joad 11-16-2016 09:10 AM

Hillarybot loser spin.

icenine 11-16-2016 09:17 AM

Just wait low information voter.

barbara 11-16-2016 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 338446)
Just wait low information voter.



.....and TJ will whine the loudest when Trump policies start to hurt.

Rajoo 11-16-2016 10:12 AM

This is the reality. Put up a loser, you will lose. But this one was special.

http://images.memes.com/meme/1280951

Pio1980 11-16-2016 10:14 AM

The choice between Trump and Cruz was far less stark that that of Clinton and Trump. Would Bernie prevail in a do-over with Clinton? Mebbe. Would he prevail against Trump? Probably not. White male America wasn't looking for a Soshialist from New England to bring back their dream world.

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Rajoo 11-16-2016 10:32 AM

So Hillary lost to Trump because Bernie made her look bad.
Bernie would also have lost to Trump, but he is not a Democrat, is he?
So why was Hillary the only Democrat to be nominated?
Arrogance and stupidity.

Tom Joad 11-16-2016 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 338479)
So Hillary lost to Trump because Bernie made her look bad.
Bernie would also have lost to Trump, but he is not a Democrat, is he?
So why was Hillary the only Democrat to be nominated?
Arrogance and stupidity.

I wonder what the real reason Joe Biden didn't run is?

nailer 11-16-2016 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 338480)
I wonder what the real reason Joe Biden didn't run is?

I'd bet he didn't want to be president. He also saw that the deck was stacked.

Tom Joad 11-16-2016 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 338483)
I'd bet he didn't want to be president. He also saw that the deck was stacked.

Sounds about right to me.

Rajoo 11-16-2016 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 338483)
I'd bet he didn't want to be president. He also saw that the deck was stacked.

Quite possibly true and why he had second thoughts when he saw Hillary floundering in her campaign. What about the person who designed the H--> logo? He should be the first one to take the fall. :D

Tom Joad 11-16-2016 06:40 PM

Time Magazine Blames Bernie In A Way The Onion Would Be Proud Of
 
Here's Jimmy Dores critique of the Time Article.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y84tkDQ2-cA

icenine 11-16-2016 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 338569)
Here's Jimmy Dores critique of the Time Article.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y84tkDQ2-cA

Why don't you cool off and take a spin in your Corvette...;)

bobabode 11-16-2016 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 338442)
Bernie standing up in huge stadiums castigating Clinton did not really help his progressive goals.

Outcomes matter not emotion.

Hillary flawed? Of course. So is the electorate. If people who supported Sanders were so dense as to not vote for Hillary on 8 November then whatever Trump does to them is their own fault.

I am proud to be a Hillarybot. That shine will fade from Sanders as Trump threatens our democracy.

Seems like this story from Time struck a nerve amongst the Berners. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

Oerets 11-16-2016 06:53 PM

HRC lost because Trump was a stronger candidate, she was weaker and flawed. Sanders never running at all the result would still be the same. This was a year of change and she was old news.

The Dems have a messaging problem, tried to hard to be Republican lite not progressive. Thought they could pull in Republican voters that way. Guessed wrong again. Time for new ideas and young blood to infuse the party.





Barney

icenine 11-16-2016 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 338572)
Seems like this story from Time struck a nerve amongst the Berners. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

After losing in New York he should have toned it down.


If this was a normal person about to take over it would not be a big deal.


I voted for Hillary in 2008 but also voted for Obama that year. I would have voted for Sanders if he would have won the nomination.

Rajoo 11-16-2016 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 338572)
Seems like this story from Time struck a nerve amongst the Berners. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

Sorry no. The ones that considered Hillary to be the best and most qualified candidate are robots and this election proved them to be idiots. $975M raised only to lose the WH, House and the Senate.

The only nerve it struck is how corrupt and ineffective the Democratic Party has become, thanks to Bernie.

Tom Joad 11-16-2016 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 338575)
After losing in New York he should have toned it down.

Hell he shouldn't have run at all.

After all, it was her turn to be President.

bobabode 11-16-2016 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 338576)
Sorry no. The ones that considered Hillary to be the best and most qualified candidate are robots and this election proved them to be idiots. $975M raised only to lose the WH, House and the Senate.

The only nerve it struck is how corrupt and ineffective the Democratic Party has become, thanks to Bernie.

Ahhh, the arrogance of the far left. Namecalling and zero introspection. Cute. :rolleyes:

Boreas 11-16-2016 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 338442)
Bernie standing up in huge stadiums castigating Clinton did not really help his progressive goals.

Outcomes matter not emotion.

Hillary flawed? Of course. So is the electorate. If people who supported Sanders were so dense as to not vote for Hillary on 8 November then whatever Trump does to them is their own fault.

I am proud to be a Hillarybot. That shine will fade from Sanders as Trump threatens our democracy.


The shine will wax stronger as Bernie fights Trump from the Senate. Hillary will go back to singing for her supper on Wall Street, only for a lot less cash.

Boreas 11-16-2016 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 338572)
Seems like this story from Time struck a nerve amongst the Berners. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

Does it feel good having someone to blame for Hillary's failure? You and ice need to take a cold hard look at your candidate and yourselves.

Boreas 11-16-2016 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 338575)
After losing in New York he should have toned it down.


If this was a normal person about to take over it would not be a big deal.


I voted for Hillary in 2008 but also voted for Obama that year. I would have voted for Sanders if he would have won the nomination.

I voted for Bernie in the primaries and Hillary in the general so I played the game by your rules. A lot of people did and she lost just the same.

Boreas 11-16-2016 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 338479)
So Hillary lost to Trump because Bernie made her look bad.
Bernie would also have lost to Trump, but he is not a Democrat, is he?
So why was Hillary the only Democrat to be nominated?
Arrogance and stupidity.

It was that sneaky goddamn soshulist who talked Hillary into using a private email server. It was a Bernie sock pupped who entrapped Weiner and caused the investigation to be reopened. It was Bernie, a fellow traveler if there ever was one, who talked the Russians into hacking the DNC.

bobabode 11-16-2016 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 338580)
Does it feel good having someone to blame for Hillary's failure? You and ice need to take a cold hard look at your candidate and yourselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 338581)
I voted for Bernie in the primaries and Hillary in the general so I played the game by your rules. A lot of people did and she lost just the same.


Well, la di f**kin' da, Boreas. Wanna lollipop?:rolleyes: Were you out there trying to convince Berners elsewhere that they should suck it up and do the same? It sure didn't look like it from here with all the bitching and moaning.

bobabode 11-16-2016 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 338582)
It was that sneaky goddamn soshulist who talked Hillary into using a private email server. It was a Bernie sock pupped who entrapped Weiner and caused the investigation to be reopened. It was Bernie, a fellow traveler if there ever was one, who talked the Russians into hacking the DNC.

Wow...

Boreas 11-16-2016 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 338583)
Well, la di f**kin' da, Boreas. Wanna lollipop?:rolleyes: Were you out there trying to convince Berners elsewhere that they should suck it up and do the same? It sure didn't look like it from here with all the bitching and moaning.

Yes, I was. This is the only political board I participate in and I have yet to observe anyone here willing to change their mind about anything. I stuck to people who were open to persuasion.

And even here, I defended Hillary from unreasonable criticism quite a lot. But since I failed to express the requisite level of abject adoration, you probably didn't notice.

donquixote99 11-16-2016 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 338573)
HRC lost because Trump was a stronger candidate, she was weaker and flawed. Sanders never running at all the result would still be the same. This was a year of change and she was old news.

The Dems have a messaging problem, tried to hard to be Republican lite not progressive. Thought they could pull in Republican voters that way. Guessed wrong again. Time for new ideas and young blood to infuse the party.





Barney

Right on.

Lots of adversities can be pointed to, enemy action from the FBI and such, but had Hillary not been such a vulnerable, high-negative candidate, they would not have mattered.

Boreas 11-16-2016 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 338584)
Wow...

I thought you knew all that. What kind of Hillarybot are you?

Boreas 11-16-2016 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 338573)
HRC lost because Trump was a stronger candidate, she was weaker and flawed. Sanders never running at all the result would still be the same. This was a year of change and she was old news.

The Dems have a messaging problem, tried to hard to be Republican lite not progressive. Thought they could pull in Republican voters that way. Guessed wrong again. Time for new ideas and young blood to infuse the party.





Barney

Which is precisely why Bernie was the correct nominee.

bobabode 11-16-2016 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 338590)
I thought you knew all that. What kind of Hillarybot are you?

Obviously a terrible one. What's next, accusing Clinton supporters of hippie punching? :rolleyes:

donquixote99 11-16-2016 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 338583)
Well, la di f**kin' da, Boreas. Wanna lollipop?:rolleyes: Were you out there trying to convince Berners elsewhere that they should suck it up and do the same? It sure didn't look like it from here with all the bitching and moaning.

Bob, at least half of the 'bitching and moaning' is on your head. You have been very aggressive toward 'Berners.' And still are, above. Boreas did not have that attack coming.

I did not voice support for Hillary until she was the nominee. Voted for bernie then voted for Hillary. You got a beef with me?

EVERYBODY needs to get over it. For real. Stop the trolling, stop the flaming. We've got an autocrat to survive, and this shit will not help.

http://www2.nybooks.com/daily/s3/nov...-survival.html

icenine 11-16-2016 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 338577)
Hell he shouldn't have run at all.

After all, it was her turn to be President.

I would take that right now.

Oerets 11-16-2016 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 338591)
Which is precisely why Bernie was the correct nominee.

I voted for Sanders in my primary. Who knows in the general if he could of overcame Trump. My guess Trump was always gonna win this year no matter who. He had way too many statements issues meltdowns tweets ....... on an on that any other candidate would be left in the dust of forgotten wasted has beens.



Barney

icenine 11-16-2016 08:11 PM

I'm gonna buy a Hillarybot T-shirt.

Boreas 11-16-2016 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 338598)
I gonna buy a Hillarybot T-shirt.

Why not stick it on your forehead?

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140608212123

bobabode 11-16-2016 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 338593)
Bob, at least half of the 'bitching and moaning' is on your head. You have been very aggressive toward 'Berners.' And still are, above. Boreas did not have that attack coming.

I did not voice support for Hillary until she was the nominee. Voted for bernie then voted for Hillary. You got a beef with me?

EVERYBODY needs to get over it. For real. Stop the trolling, stop the flaming. We've got an autocrat to survive, and this shit will not help.

http://www2.nybooks.com/daily/s3/nov...-survival.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 338600)

You were saying? :rolleyes:

Boreas 11-16-2016 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 338604)
You were saying? :rolleyes:

Christ, you can't even take a joke when it isn't directed at you?

I guess you've never heard of Red Dwarf either.

Rajoo 11-16-2016 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 338583)
Well, la di f**kin' da, Boreas. Wanna lollipop?:rolleyes: Were you out there trying to convince Berners elsewhere that they should suck it up and do the same? It sure didn't look like it from here with all the bitching and moaning.

What is this? John actually voted for Hillary, he even started a poll on this.
Why can't you accept the fact that Hillary was a rotten candidate to begin with?


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