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icenine 11-09-2016 08:32 AM

"Draining The Swamp" The P*ssy Grabber's First 100 Days MAGA Thread!
 
Feel free to post all relevant accomplishments of our new leader during the transition and the 100 days after the inauguration on 20 Jan. When you see a local Walmart close, or a new GM or Ford Plant open in you backyard, and cement contractors headed for the border please announce it here. When the poor people of your state are kicked off the ACA medicare expansion and your pre-existing condition once again throws you off your insurance plan announce it here.

Good Morning America

Have a great day!

I don't know if I can last at PC much longer but maybe I will try.

A smart Trump and a smart GOP Congress would probably raise the minimum wage. They might not have heard of Bismarck however. Too much facebook, not enough real books.

Boreas 11-09-2016 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 336766)
Feel free to post all relevant accomplishments of our new leader during the transition and the 100 days after the inauguration on 20 Jan. When you see a local Walmart close, or a new GM or Ford Plant open in you backyard, and cement contractors headed for the border please announce it here. When the poor people of your state are kicked off the ACA medicare expansion and your pre-existing condition once again throws you off your insurance plan announce it here.

Good Morning America

Have a great day!

I don't know if I can last at PC much longer but maybe I will try.

A smart Trump and a smart GOP Congress would probably raise the minimum wage. They might not have heard of Bismarck however. Too much facebook, not enough real books.

Time to ditch the avatar, ice. It was always a joke. Now it's a cruel one.

icenine 11-09-2016 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 336770)
Time to ditch the avatar, ice. It was always a joke. Now it's a cruel one.

Did she win the popular vote John?

Boreas 11-09-2016 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 336771)
Did she win the popular vote John?

That's not how we elect presidents, ice.

icenine 11-09-2016 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 336773)
That's not how we elect presidents, ice.

No shit. But good enough reason to keep an avatar.

finnbow 11-09-2016 09:02 AM

It will be really interesting to see who Trump appoints to his cabinet and to his White House staff. Jeff Sessions, Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, Newt Gingrich, Kellyanne Conway .... It makes my stomach turn just thinking about it.

icenine 11-09-2016 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 336776)
It will be really interesting to see who Trump appoints to his cabinet and to his White House staff. Jeff Sessions, Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, Newt Gingrich, Kellyanne Conway .... It makes my stomach turn just thinking about it.

What scares me is that Bannon or the Trump kids will be pulling the strings.

Boreas 11-09-2016 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 336776)
It will be really interesting to see who Trump appoints to his cabinet and to his White House staff. Jeff Sessions, Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, Newt Gingrich, Kellyanne Conway .... It makes my stomach turn just thinking about it.

Supreme Court Justice Joe Arpaio, RNC Chairman Corey Lewindowski, UN Ambassador John Bolton, Defense Secretary Michael Flynn, White House Chief of Staff Steve Bannon.

Rajoo 11-09-2016 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 336774)
No shit. But good enough reason to keep an avatar.

That avatar now represents failure.

icenine 11-09-2016 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 336817)
That avatar now represents failure.

It all depends on perspective.

nailer 11-09-2016 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 336824)
It all depends on perspective.

Is that all it takes? I'll try. The Orioles beat the Mets in 69, the Orioles beat the Mets in 69, the Orioles beat the Mets in 69, the Orioles beat the Mets in 69, the Orioles beat the Mets in 69 ... fucking Mets :mad:

icenine 11-09-2016 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 336829)
Is that all it takes? I'll try. The Orioles beat the Mets in 69, the Orioles beat the Mets in 69, the Orioles beat the Mets in 69, the Orioles beat the Mets in 69, the Orioles beat the Mets in 69 ... fucking Mets :mad:

Trump can screw up so bad we are back in two years.
Or he can be another Nixon.

I didn't vote for him. So it's not my fault.

I am proud to have voted for Hillary.

Boreas 11-09-2016 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 336830)
Trump can screw up so bad we are back in two years.
Or he can be another Nixon.

I didn't vote for him. So it's not my fault.

I am proud to have voted for Hillary.

1. We will at best hold our ground in the 2018 mid-term. The Democrats have a lot of Senate seats up for grabs , most of them in red states. And then there's the 2020 census to consider. With most state governments in Republican hands, that round of redistricting will make previous gerrymandering look like child's play.

2. Impeachment should be off the table unless you're ready to deal with President Pence.

3. "I didn't vote for him" is an immature cop out: "I didn't do it, Hillbilly did it!" Man up and admit that you backed a lame horse with 500 pounds of lead in her saddle.

nailer 11-09-2016 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 336830)
Trump can screw up so bad we are back in two years.
Or he can be another Nixon.

I didn't vote for him. So it's not my fault.

I am proud to have voted for Hillary.

Muddle headed Democrats are at fault. Bernie would've won.

icenine 11-09-2016 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 336838)
1. We will at best hold our ground in the 2018 mid-term. The Democrats have a lot of Senate seats up for grabs , most of them in red states. And then there's the 2020 census to consider. With most state governments in Republican hands, that round of redistricting will make previous gerrymandering look like child's play.

2. Impeachment should be off the table unless you're ready to deal with President Pence.

3. "I didn't vote for him" is an immature cop out: "I didn't do it, Hillbilly did it!" Man up and admit that you backed a lame horse with 500 pounds of lead in her saddle.

Oh the I told you so moment.

icenine 11-09-2016 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 336840)
Muddle headed Democrats are at fault. Bernie would've won.

But he didn't.

It really does not matter now does it?

nailer 11-09-2016 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 336845)
But he didn't.

It really does not matter now does it?

Lessons learned matter.

Rajoo 11-09-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 336845)
But he didn't.

It really does not matter now does it?

Yes it does, not for Bernie but for the system. But you must answer this question first, do you blame the American people for having voted Trump as the 45th President?

donquixote99 11-09-2016 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 336838)
Man up and admit that you backed a lame horse with 500 pounds of lead in her saddle.

Speaking for myself, I did not back her until she was the nominee. THEN I backed her 100%, as everyone should have.

donquixote99 11-09-2016 11:14 AM

I will agree with one comment I saw. Given her high negatives, Hillary should have stood down--the earlier the better. But Potomac fever doesn't let go.

Boreas 11-09-2016 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 336844)
Oh the I told you so moment.

I didn't say that but, since you mentioned it, I certainly did and early enough for you and anyone else here to vote for Bernie in the primaries.

nailer 11-09-2016 11:27 AM

The Democrats who chose Hillary over Bernie are not New Dealers and will be blaming Trump for what is their failure.

Rajoo 11-09-2016 11:27 AM

Democrats Inc. was committed to elect the first woman president to succeed the first black president despite the warning signs. In basketball, this is like letting your streak shooter continue to throw up three's after he has gone cold. You will lose the game and the coach gets the blame, not the shooter.

Hillary Clinton went cold after email/FBI saga. Comey did not help matters from either of his two press conferences, especially the first one. Now Comey has turned into a hero rather than a villain.

I agree that after Comey's first press conference, she should have stepped down. The the ill advised 'deplorable' tag gave her opposition a rallying cry like Romney's 47%.

Boreas 11-09-2016 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 336847)
Lessons learned matter.


The lesson: this was a change election. Trump was in effect a third party candidate. He was nearly as critical of the Republicans as he was the Democrats. His whole message was that the system was rigged against the people and only an outsider like him could fix things. (He even said that very thing.)

The Democrats needed to field a strong change candidate of their own and they has an ideal one in Bernie but, because they had been planning on nominating the first female candidate from a major party since 2008, the party sabotaged the candidacy of a true change candidate who would have appealed to many of the people who voted for Trump, the non-deplorables, and nominated Hillary, a poster child for the American political aristocracy.

What the fuck did they think would happen?

nailer 11-09-2016 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 336861)
The lesson: this was a change election. Trump was in effect a third party candidate. He was nearly as critical of the Republicans as he was the Democrats. His whole message was that the system was rugged against the people and only an outsider like him could fix things. (He even said that very thing.)

The Democrats needed to field a strong change candidate of their own and they has an ideal one in Bernie but, because they had been planning on nominating the first female candidate from a major party since 2008, the party sabotaged the candidacy of a true change candidate who would have appealed to many of the people who voted for Trump, the non-deplorables, and nominated Hillary, a poster child for the American political aristocracy.

What the fuck did they think would happen?

That they could fool enough of the people.

donquixote99 11-09-2016 11:36 AM

Do not be fooled by the lopsided electoral college result. Look at the popular vote. Hillary's performance was not so awful as every says today. Lots of those states were won by tiny margins. Hillary almost pulled it off, change year or no.

Hell, Interstate Crosscheck may have made the difference.

Dondilion 11-09-2016 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 336861)
The lesson: this was a change election. Trump was in effect a third party candidate. He was nearly as critical of the Republicans as he was the Democrats. His whole message was that the system was rugged against the people and only an outsider like him could fix things. (He even said that very thing.)

The Democrats needed to field a strong change candidate of their own and they has an ideal one in Bernie but, because they had been planning on nominating the first female candidate from a major party since 2008, the party sabotaged the candidacy of a true change candidate who would have appealed to many of the people who voted for Trump, the non-deplorables, and nominated Hillary, a poster child for the American political aristocracy.

What the fuck did they think would happen?

To make matters worse Wikileaks confirmed the suspicions of the independent voters who went heavily for Bernie.

Dondilion 11-09-2016 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 336866)
Do not be fooled by the lopsided electoral college result. Look at the popular vote. Hillary's performance was not so awful as every says today. Lots of those states were won by tiny margins. Hillary almost pulled it off, change year or no.

Hell, Interstate Crosscheck may have made the difference.

Hillary was up against Trump!

Her performance was awful.

donquixote99 11-09-2016 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 336876)
Bullshit! Hillary was up against Trump.

Bullshit? You're a bit quick on the trigger there, Dondi. Let's look at the data:

http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1478717383

In table, first three columns are the vote % received, by Clinton, Trump, and all others together. Fourth column is trump's margin of victory over Clinton. If column 3 exceeds column 4, column 5 shows the number of electoral votes potentially flipped if enough 'other' votes had gone to Clinton instead.

Make of it what you will. Mainly, I think this shows that Hillary was not an awful candidate, she was a competitive candidate. But she was ultimately defeated by her own negatives driving votes to third party candidates.

I stand by my claim that if all who didn't want Trump had voted for Hillary, we wouldn't have Trump.

nailer 11-09-2016 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 336914)
Bullshit? You're a bit quick on the trigger there, Dondi. Let's look at the data:

http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1478717383

In table, first three columns are the vote % received, by Clinton, Trump, and all others together. Fourth column is trump's margin of victory over Clinton. If column 3 exceeds column 4, column 5 shows the number of electoral votes potentially flipped if enough 'other' votes had gone to Clinton instead.

Make of it what you will. Mainly, I think this shows that Hillary was not an awful candidate, she was a competitive candidate. But she was ultimately defeated by her own negatives driving votes to third party candidates.

I stand by my claim that if all who didn't want Trump had voted for Hillary, we wouldn't have Trump.

Libertarians voting Democrat? Give me a break. You're assumptions and supporting analysis are flawed. Check out my response to your similar claim in Grumpy's thread for a reality check.

Rajoo 11-09-2016 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 336920)
Libertarians voting Democrat? Give me a break. You're assumptions and supporting analysis are flawed. Check out my response to your similar claim in Grumpy's thread for a reality check.

Assigning blame and guilt cleansing is the intent here, not logic or analysis.

donquixote99 11-09-2016 01:16 PM

Do you see me claiming it was likely for libertarians to vote for Hillary?

Is it your claim that all the Johnson voters are libertarians?

I stand by the claims I have actually made, which do not include any probability estimates of votes changing. Though it raises an interesting notion. What if presidential elections were, say, a best of seven series?

Tom Joad 11-09-2016 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 336914)
Bullshit? You're a bit quick on the trigger there, Dondi. Let's look at the data:

http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1478717383

In table, first three columns are the vote % received, by Clinton, Trump, and all others together. Fourth column is trump's margin of victory over Clinton. If column 3 exceeds column 4, column 5 shows the number of electoral votes potentially flipped if enough 'other' votes had gone to Clinton instead.

Make of it what you will. Mainly, I think this shows that Hillary was not an awful candidate, she was a competitive candidate. But she was ultimately defeated by her own negatives driving votes to third party candidates.

I stand by my claim that if all who didn't want Trump had voted for Hillary, we wouldn't have Trump.

The notion that all, or a majority even, of the other candidate votes would have gone to Hillary had it been only her and Trump on the ballot is patently absurd. If that had been the case here I believe I would have left the Presidential block blank.

whell 11-09-2016 01:28 PM

Man oh man. Someone needs to keep sharp objects far away from Don today.

nailer 11-09-2016 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 336937)
The notion that all, or a majority even, of the other candidate votes would have gone to Hillary had it been only her and Trump on the ballot is patently absurd. If that had been the case here I believe I would have left the Presidential block blank.

I missed that assumption. Absurd is a good description.

donquixote99 11-09-2016 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 336939)
Man oh man. Someone needs to keep sharp objects far away from Don today.

Oh, no worries, unless you were planning on dropping over. But in that case, you'd better add blunt objects to the list.

Rajoo 11-09-2016 01:47 PM

Simply put, the voters rejected a Clinton dynasty like the Bush dynasty was rejected in the primaries.

Tom Joad 11-09-2016 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 336951)
Simply put, the voters rejected a Clinton dynasty like the Bush dynasty was rejected in the primaries.

So far I've seen the Hillary people point their blame fingers just about everywhere except the right place.

Not one of them will admit that Bernie should have been the nominee.

I hope with time they figure it out.

donquixote99 11-09-2016 02:17 PM

You see what you want to see, like most people.

Tom Joad 11-09-2016 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 336960)
You see what you want to see, like most people.

I am just a poor boy.
Though my story's seldom told,
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles,
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.


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