charlotte NC police shooting video
 

Hey Folks,
Anyone else here try to watch the footage of the police video? I did several times. At just before 30 seconds, just as he was getting out of the car, I noticed a black device on the right ankle. It looks quite a bit like a gun holster to me. It is not clear, that is for sure.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/27/us...otte.html?_r=0

WOW!

They just shot him.... why?

good question!

Wow!

How blatantly Hitleresque can you get?

If open carry is legal, how is it probable cause to be shot for it?

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back to the question. What about what was on his right ankle. Anyone have an idea or better info on that?>

There was some talk about an ankle holster. Again, open carry is legal there, afaik.
This is one reason I do not support or practice open carry.

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Also, see if you can stp the video at 41 seconds. It shows him laying on the ground after being shot. It looks very much like a gun and holster on his right ankle, least ways to me it does.

I looked. I imagine you mean this frame from second 41 from the above source (my screen capture):
http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1474986105

I see what you mean. Here's the foot blown-up some.
http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1474986105

It looks like a holster without a weapon in it. I don't understand how it's attached, but I'm no expert on holsters.


Of course, it's not impossible that it was photoshopped in. They had the video long enough.

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09...hooting-video/

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Looking for pics, lots of winger racist sites are exploiting this.
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Sources obviously have agenda I do not share sorry bout that


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I'll stipulate that he had an ankle holster if you'll stipulate that he has nothing in his hands. You can see his left hand @10 sec. and his right @14 sec. Both are clearly empty.

North Carolina is an open carry state.

If the holster is empty, where's the gun? It wasn't in either hand when they shot him. And @42 sec. the cop in the red shirt reaches down in the direction of the holster. Why and what did he do?

Better video here, except their player won't do full screen.

This photo of subjects alleged weapon looks like it is in a dangerous cocked with safety off condition, but you'll note there's no magazine in it. I'd assume action was worked by police to eject a round in chamber if there was one.

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2...4758976651.jpg

Ok, it's Fux, but it's here.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/27...t-records.html

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normally an auto without a magazine and that has had the last round ejected causes the weapon to remain open. Not so in the picture. But that doesn't really mean anything, they could have closed it too.

I can't stipulate to either, that it is a holster or that his hands are clear. I can't see clearly enough to make that assertion definitively for either point. I saw one frame that I thought "looked" to me like the silhouette of a hand griping a pistol, and the next fame was without a pistol. But I need to emphasize, I cannot clearly see anything in the video.

The black ankle thing is clear at the 33 second mark, just as he is getting out of the car.

I saw the "ankle thing". Assuming it's an ankle holster (which I do), we have to assume two further things. Since the holster is on his right ankle, it would be appropriate to assume that, if he had the gun in his hand, it would be in his right hand. This is the hand which is in view for the longest time on the dashcam video. It is clearly empty.

So, here we have the two possible explanations for the whereabouts of the gun. One, it was still holstered and two, it was in the vehicle. This latter would explain the condition of the gun in the police still. Perhaps the delay in Scott exiting the vehicle can be explained as him making the weapon safe by removing the clip and then leaving it in the vehicle.

Either way, Scott represented no threat to the officers at all. Either he had a holstered weapon, to which he was legally entitled, or he left it in the vehicle.

Logically this makes sense. However, there are many other possibilities too. Suicide by cop? Maybe he had the gun in his belt - which we could not see. I am certain there are many thing we do not know, and never will. I would ask the question, if the gun was still in the car, then why did the police tell him to drop it? I would find it difficult to believe that they conspired to kill him, knowing the gun was in the car.

Just thinking out loud here.

Having the gun in his belt is perfectly legal in North Carolina.... for white folks.

It's clear from the video that it wasn't in his hand and is arms were at his sides the entire time.

Why do cops yell, "Stop resisting arrest!" while beating restrained individuals? And do you know whether they said that before he exited the vehicle, after or at all? I can't tell what they're saying in the video.

Seconds before he was shot. (At about 33 sec. in NYTimes video.) Note that the fingers of his right hand are extended. It simply isn't possible for him to be holding a gun. Note also the absence of audio at the critical period.

http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/1000...-shooting.html

At one point I do hear them say "drop the gun" A little muffled but I ma pretty sure that is what they said.
At about 50 seconds one cop starts to say "I saw garbled in his hands. Pretty tough to understand." The other officer asks if the(presumably the shooter) other is okay. He responds with I don't know.

Gut level knee jerk response. This likely should not have happened this way. Had he been white would it have made a difference? That is the question. I like to think not. Maybe naive, maybe just wishful thinking. I am certainly not discounting racial profiling. I wish they would issue a full report and disclosure of what happened, or if needed, move on the charges that would need to be filed.

I know that cops are often given the benefit of the doubt, and sometimes way beyond when they should.

I heard that too. It could just as easily have been "Get on the ground!" That's how I heard it.

I did catch the "silence". Pretty suspicious. I see his hand as you described too. So at least at this point he did not have a gun in his right hand.

Did you happen to hear the audio from his wife's video?
"Keith, Kieth, Kieth, don't you do it."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQoxygG6o4Y

This article states the gun recovered had his prints on it, and further that it was a stolen gun that he had bought from the guy who stole it.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/33248891/s...eported-stolen

I got a better look at the gun in question. It has the clip/magazine in it.

From the time he left the vehicle until the moment he was shot his hands never left his sides. He never had a gun in his hands.

I've listened to the wife's video numerous times. His wife may well have been responsible for escalating the situation by her repeated "Don't do its". It's possible that it put the cops on a hair trigger by leading them to believe that he was about to do something stupid.

I had the same thought about his wife aggravating the situation.

So who died and made these cops God. Get on the ground my arse, No police officer here would ever say that to me and I have met quite a number of our local force. Since many of them are black I doubt they would say it to their own people either.

No, they would just shoot them. The officer who shot Scott was black, as were several of the officers responsible for Freddie Gray's death.

Another fatal shooting yesterday by an officer.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html

Wow.


Carl

What matters is what they knew before they approached him vs how they reacted to the situation. I can't say definitely that there was a provoked escalation.

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Among the most pitiful cases are these where the relative calls for help for a loved one, and the police come and kill them.

I worked with the police picture referenced above, playing with brightness and contrast and stuff, and enlarging it about as much as it will stand. It's not that great a picture, but it looks to me like what he's holding up is not a gun. I swear it looks like a deadly, threatening pop bottle.

http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1475076731

Yeah, this video from my article link is so heartbreaking. The poor guy is dead for no reason at all other than a complete failure of training starting with the idiot dispatcher. Lady in the video says there are now 20 police on the scene and then the ambulance shows up. I hope they sue the hell out of them. And they should be very thankful there is no riot. Yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-w...ature=youtu.be

Carl

I may get a black eye on this, but what do you expect for the police to do here? To take the time to evaluate if it is a pop bottle, or a gun could easily result in their death. They gave orders, he concealed his hands, he raised them in a fashion consistent with raising a gun. To me it appears suicide by cop.

You read the article I linked to where it states the police knew that he was mentally ill, unarmed, and out of control and that is what you think? You don't think the dispatcher should have called the county mental health and the sheriff to come get him?

Carl

I skimmed it. I should have read it better. Time to re-read and then re-post.

A report describes the object as a vape'ing device. I've seen some that have a nozzle protrusion that could look like a firearm barrel.

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