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Grumpy 09-13-2016 02:56 PM

Any Gary Johnson supporters here ?
 
I am 49 years old. Since the age of 18 I have always voted pretty much straight Rep ticket. Well thats a bit of a fib. Last time around I did the mixed ticket.

Well for the first time in 31 years I refuse to vote for a repub candidate. That also goes for a Dem. I would not trust either one of them to run a Denny's, much less this great country !

After much thought I have decided to cast my vote for Gary. He is the sanest out of this bunch of lunatics they are trying to ram down our throats !

Will get down off my soap box now.
Grumpy

Pio1980 09-13-2016 03:02 PM

No, they don't seem to think that responsible adult supervision of the business world is necessary or desirable.

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bobabode 09-13-2016 03:05 PM

Libertarians give me hives. :D

Grumpy 09-13-2016 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 330604)
No, they don't seem to think that responsible adult supervision of the business world is necessary or desirable.

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Do ya mean Gary, the other two idiots, or all politicians ?

Pio1980 09-13-2016 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 330606)
Do ya mean Gary, the other two idiots, or all politicians ?

Good question, Dave.
I thought I could be a Libertarian until I noted this not insignificant feature.
The other parties just get paid off to carry their water while pretending to serve the common interest.

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Grumpy 09-13-2016 03:33 PM

The right really can't stand Gary. He scares them

Tom Joad 09-13-2016 03:43 PM

I'm not voting for him, but I do hope he gets the 5% so that the Libertarian Party will be eligible for public matching funds.

Any toehold, however small, that can be gotten against our two party duopoly is a good thing IMO.

Rajoo 09-13-2016 04:05 PM

Neither the left nor the right can tolerate any outsider, ask a Berniac how it feels.

Grumpy 09-13-2016 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 330628)
Neither the left nor the right can tolerate any outsider, ask a Berniac how it feels.

Bernie took her money and ran. He's as big a douche as she is.. :p

whell 09-13-2016 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 330600)
I am 49 years old. Since the age of 18 I have always voted pretty much straight Rep ticket. Well thats a bit of a fib. Last time around I did the mixed ticket.

Well for the first time in 31 years I refuse to vote for a repub candidate. That also goes for a Dem. I would not trust either one of them to run a Denny's, much less this great country !

After much thought I have decided to cast my vote for Gary. He is the sanest out of this bunch of lunatics they are trying to ram down our throats !

Will get down off my soap box now.
Grumpy

If he proves to me that he has passed a world geography class or two, I might support him. ;)

Rajoo 09-13-2016 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 330640)
If he proves to me that he has passed a world geography class or two, I might support him. ;)

Can he take the same test $arah took and passed? :)

Grumpy 09-13-2016 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 330640)
If he proves to me that he has passed a world geography class or two, I might support him. ;)

How many other politicians could have answered that question ?

Pio1980 09-13-2016 05:50 PM

How many pols can pass the same test as Khizr Khan for citizenship?

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Boreas 09-13-2016 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 330643)
How many other politicians could have answered that question ?

Most if not all, at least those in national politics. For Johnson, who let's not forget wants to be Commander in Chief, to be unfamiliar with the second largest city in a country in which we are engaged militarily is bizarre to say the least and perhaps even disqualifying.

Oerets 09-13-2016 07:44 PM

The country at this time is a two party majority system. Parties like the Libertarian Green would need to form a coalition if they ever won this major office. Does anyone think that could happen in today's world? Talk about grid lock and a do nothing congress.

This election I like the majority will be voting for the lesser of two evils. I think HRC can and will be a good President. I just wished for some young new blood this time around.






Barney

donquixote99 09-13-2016 08:36 PM

We have winner-take-all elections. There's no prize for coming in second, let alone third or fourth. Two major left vs right parties, by the nature of human personalities and swings back and forth, can take turns winning (absent gerrymandering). Third parties pretty much can never win.

Rajoo 09-16-2016 07:34 AM

Here is one way to support Gary Johnson, vote for Hillary instead....sort of. :)

Anti-Trump Republicans: Don’t Waste Your Vote. Trade It.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/op...=headline&te=1

merrylander 09-16-2016 07:43 AM

The idea of voting for someone less well informed than myself is ridiculous.

Rajoo 09-16-2016 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 330705)
The idea of voting for someone less well informed than myself is ridiculous.

I thought you would be all in for helping your gal win Rob! :)

BlueStreak 09-16-2016 10:14 AM

I've thought about voting for him, but only because I despise the other two. The Libertarian vote gives me an out. I can still fulfill my duty to vote, but have a clear conscience when he loses. I know; "That's a cop out.", and you'd be right. It is.

But, that's what I'm down too. Sad times indeed.

Pio1980 09-16-2016 10:24 AM

Well, there's this:
http://www.inquisitr.com/3380880/lib...e-believes-in/

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merrylander 09-16-2016 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 330711)
I thought you would be all in for helping your gal win Rob! :)

Check my latest post in Hillary for Pres. The article backs up what I have always perceived was going on Misogyny run rampant.:)

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...sident/497564/

donquixote99 09-16-2016 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 330737)
Check my latest post in Hillary for Pres. The article backs up what I have always perceived was going on Misogyny run rampant.:)

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...sident/497564/

Yes, but don't expect those afflicted to ever admit it.

Boreas 09-16-2016 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 330746)
Yes, but don't expect those afflicted to ever admit it.

And, misogyny is the only possible explanation for why anyone could fail to support such a paragon of virtue and political perspicacity.

Pio1980 09-16-2016 02:14 PM

This thread is about putting a Randist simpleton in a position to hand the country over to our oligarchs.
The answer is "NO!!".
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donquixote99 09-16-2016 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 330750)
And, misogyny is the only possible explanation for why anyone could fail to support such a paragon of virtue and political perspicacity.

Interesting that you should say so. I'd never say that.

I will point out that people are always defensive about their own bias, and insist their antipathies never go beyond what is reasonable.

Boreas 09-16-2016 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 330792)
Interesting that you should say so. I'd never say that.

I will point out that people are always defensive about their own bias, and insist their antipathies never go beyond what is reasonable.

People can also be quite "defensive" when unjustly accused.

donquixote99 09-16-2016 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 330797)
People can also be quite "defensive" when unjustly accused.

Or when not accused, justly or not.

nailer 09-16-2016 11:41 PM

A just accusation, interesting concept.

Rajoo 09-17-2016 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 330871)
A just accusation, interesting concept.

It's a Clintonian statement, parsing words.

Grumpy 09-17-2016 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 330648)
Most if not all, at least those in national politics. For Johnson, who let's not forget wants to be Commander in Chief, to be unfamiliar with the second largest city in a country in which we are engaged militarily is bizarre to say the least and perhaps even disqualifying.

Not really for a Libertarian. On that we will have to agree to disagree

Grumpy 09-17-2016 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 330771)
This thread is about putting a Randist simpleton in a position to hand the country over to our oligarchs.
The answer is "NO!!".
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Have you ever looked at Johnson's stand on most policy ? I think many Clinton supporters would be shocked. Now I am not saying you support Clinton. Just saying...

Not sure how accurate this is, but interesting if so. Gary is not you "every day" Libertarian.

http://airgunsforum.com/picture.php?...pictureid=2696

Boreas 09-17-2016 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 330878)
Not really for a Libertarian. On that we will have to agree to disagree

Are you saying that Libertarians don't know their asses from their elbows? On that we'll have to agree to agree.:p

BlueStreak 09-17-2016 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 330643)
How many other politicians could have answered that question ?

How many Trump followers could?

Pio1980 09-17-2016 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 330879)
Have you ever looked at Johnson's stand on most policy ? I think many Clinton supporters would be shocked. Now I am not saying you support Clinton. Just saying...

Not sure how accurate this is, but interesting if so. Gary is not you "every day" Libertarian.

http://airgunsforum.com/picture.php?...pictureid=2696

I have. That list is incomplete re Progressive policies, regulation oversight, and other factors for which Libertarians are hostile by definition. What they advocate, including Johnson, essentially turns the country back to 19th century industrial feudalism by handing it back to the oligarchs. And, his wide open 2nd amendment stand is insanity in a modern civilized State. Heller, guided by Antonin Scalia, clearly permits regulation of gun ownership under the 2nd amendment as I understand it.
I don't think that much of the two party system that dominates now, but what can you expect from a system formed by slave holders protecting property rights at all costs, including the rights of these Not Them. Poor white males that got to hitch a ride lucked out.

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Boreas 09-17-2016 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 330879)
Have you ever looked at Johnson's stand on most policy ? I think many Clinton supporters would be shocked. Now I am not saying you support Clinton. Just saying...

Not sure how accurate this is, but interesting if so. Gary is not you "every day" Libertarian.

If you want to know what Libertarians are all about, you won't get it from a poster or a bumper sticker. Spend a little time and read their platform.

Here are a few excerpts.

Quote:

2.6 Money and Financial Markets
We favor free-market banking, with unrestricted competition among banks and depository institutions of all types. Markets are not actually free unless fraud is vigorously combated. Those who enjoy the possibility of profits must not impose risks of losses upon others, such as through government guarantees or bailouts. Individuals engaged in voluntary exchange should be free to use as money any mutually agreeable commodity or item. We support a halt to inflationary monetary policies and unconstitutional legal tender laws.

2.9 Education
Education is best provided by the free market, achieving greater quality, accountability and efficiency with more diversity of choice. Recognizing that the education of children is a parental responsibility, we would restore authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government. Parents should have control of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children’s education.

2.10 Health Care
We favor a free-market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want (if any), the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions. People should be free to purchase health insurance across state lines.

2.11 Retirement and Income Security
Retirement planning is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. Libertarians would phase out the current government-sponsored Social Security system and transition to a private voluntary system. The proper and most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. We believe members of society will become even more charitable and civil society will be strengthened as government reduces its activity in this realm.

3.5 Rights and Discrimination
Libertarians embrace the concept that all people are born with certain inherent rights. We reject the idea that a natural right can ever impose an obligation upon others to fulfill that “right.” We condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant. Government should neither deny nor abridge any individual’s human right based upon sex, wealth, ethnicity, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever standards of association they deem appropriate, and individuals are free to respond with ostracism, boycotts and other free-market solutions.
https://www.lp.org/platform

Pio1980 09-17-2016 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 330908)
If you want to know what Libertarians are all about, you won't get is from a poster or a bumper sticker. Spend a little time and read their platform.

Here are a few excerpts.



https://www.lp.org/platform

And there it is. The end game is a return to industrial feudalism.

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CarlV 09-17-2016 11:03 AM

Thanks for the reminder of why I will never ever consider the Libertarian party.


Carl

Grumpy 09-17-2016 03:37 PM

I know exactly what Libertarians stand for. Gary Johnson is not your average one. He's more part Dem/Rep, then either of those idiots.

Is Gary perfect ? Hell NO, but id dam sure rather have his finger on the botton then either of those other two..

Pio1980 09-17-2016 03:47 PM

I dunno if he's more competent or trustworthy than Hillz in State department matters, but his atttude toward domestic policy is unacceptable and I've already said why.

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