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JJIII 08-10-2016 07:23 AM

Continuing education
 
Some here may be interested in this.

https://online.hillsdale.edu/dashboard/courses

Some may not. ;)

donquixote99 08-10-2016 07:34 AM

Meh. Conservative ideology done up all intellectual-like, presented with the trappings and style that says 'prestige and authority.'

finnbow 08-10-2016 07:51 AM

Hillsdale University, aka Wingnut U.

BlueStreak 08-10-2016 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 327668)
Hillsdale University, aka Wingnut U.

Oh, come on, now. I'm sure it's every bit as reasonable and objective as Bob Jones or Liberty U. ;)

finnbow 08-10-2016 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 327672)
Oh, come on, now. I'm sure it's every bit as reasonable and objective as Bob Jones or Liberty U. ;)

They advertise on Limbaugh's and Hannity's radio shows. That should tell you enough about where they stand. What other self-respecting college or university would advertise in such places?

d-ray657 08-10-2016 10:02 AM

If you want a legitimate conservative institution, try the University of Chicago.

Pio1980 08-10-2016 10:04 AM

Looks anti-Progressivist, what a surprize.
Leaves out cleaning up the mess of slavery the FFs left, another suprize.

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JJIII 08-10-2016 10:13 AM

Ok, five people that are obviously very intelligent and highly educated, know, without taking any of the courses offered, that the courses are illegitimate.

Are you afraid that if you look further into it, you may come to find that your beliefs are contaminated? Do you not have the strength of conviction to face ideas that may run contrary to your core beliefs?

BTW, not all of the courses lean very heavily toward politics. I would have thought the two on great books would draw some interest.

Oh well, I said at the first that some here would not be interested. ;)

Pio1980 08-10-2016 10:28 AM

I looked thru them, the bias was obvious.
Might have some value as a window into how the other half thinks.

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donquixote99 08-10-2016 10:33 AM

Illegitimate is too strong a word in general, though I have BIG issues with that one with 'Rise of Bureaucratic Despotism' in the title....

There's only so far you can go with being 'counter to the Prof's POV' in a class. Some will harbor a counter-ideologue more or less gracefully, many won't. At the very least, you'll have to work twice as hard for a given grade. So it's not a question of 'strength of conviction,' it's one of 'there's always a price for bucking received opinion.'

JJIII 08-10-2016 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 327687)
Illegitimate is too strong a word in general, though I have BIG issues with that one with 'Rise of Bureaucratic Despotism' in the title....

There's only so far you can go with being 'counter to the Prof's POV' in a class. Some will harbor a counter-ideologue more or less gracefully, many won't. At the very least, you'll have to work twice as hard for a given grade. So it's not a question of 'strength of conviction,' it's one of 'there's always a price for bucking received opinion.'

I don't think that any grades are give, just a certificate of completion, worth nothing really. The value is yours to take.

noonereal 08-10-2016 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 327688)
I don't think that any grades are give, just a certificate of completion,

which is how ALL schools should be!

IMHO :o

icenine 08-10-2016 10:48 AM

The University is accredited by the Higher Learning Commission, which was born of the split up of the old North American Central Association of Colleges and Schools. The HLC is recognized by the Department of Education.

Seems to be a rather small, probably expensive private liberal arts university with a conservative, Christian ethos but not aligned with any religious denomination.

I think it is one of those schools that wants to put out the vibe that it is sort of different but does not want to (very wisely) lose its link to the real world by dumping its accreditation.

donquixote99 08-10-2016 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 327688)
I don't think that any grades are give, just a certificate of completion, worth nothing really. The value is yours to take.

OK, these are free, no-credit thngs. My comments were more appropriate for actual university courses.

I think one's time could be better spent. Certainly if one is not already well-informed, there's some danger in being led down a conservative garden path by this stuff. They will clearly engage in card-stacking, if not worse distortions, in service of the obvious ideological goal.

JJIII 08-10-2016 11:39 AM

As near as I can tell, Hillsdale receives no federal funding and does not allow any students to receive same.

Unusual.

Boreas 08-10-2016 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 327697)
As near as I can tell, Hillsdale receives no federal funding and does not allow any students to receive same.

Unusual.

Any form of government funding of education is evil.

JJIII 08-10-2016 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 327699)
Any form of government funding of education is evil.

I concur.

icenine 08-10-2016 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 327697)
As near as I can tell, Hillsdale receives no federal funding and does not allow any students to receive same.

Unusual.


I would be shocked if they are not letting qualified Veterans from using the GI Bill. That pays for tuition and gives the student a housing allowance for three academic years.

That would be unfair for a Vet and would cost University nothing since the VA pays the full tuition.

bobabode 08-10-2016 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 327697)
As near as I can tell, Hillsdale receives no federal funding and does not allow any students to receive same.

Unusual.

They consider affirmative action racism according to the president of that college.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsdale_College

icenine 08-10-2016 02:00 PM

They look like they offer a "full ride" for veterans if they qualify for a school scholarship.
However who knows how difficult it is for one to get this whereas the GI bill would be automatic for anyone who was a vet and able to be admitted under the admission policy of the school.

I understand strict admissions standards for any school, but to put restrictions on how one pays for it seems bizarre and extreme. I wonder how easy it is for a veteran to get a "Freedom Scholarship".

icenine 08-10-2016 02:07 PM

http://veterans.hillsdale.edu/

Scroll down and read the part about the GI Bill.

Seems like they don't want just anybody going to their school. Once again the GI Bill would be automatic for any Vet that was admitted to the school if the university participated. They want to control HOW a Vet pays for it, which means they want to control what type of Vet gets in.

icenine 08-10-2016 02:12 PM

The flip side that is positive is that a vet who went on full ride Freedom Scholarship could then use his or her GI Bill for graduate school, law school or medical school.

I just wonder many Full Rides they give to vets.

JJIII 08-10-2016 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 327720)
http://veterans.hillsdale.edu/

Scroll down and read the part about the GI Bill.

Seems like they don't want just anybody going to their school. Once again the GI Bill would be automatic for any Vet that was admitted to the school if the university participated. They want to control HOW a Vet pays for it, which means they want to control what type of Vet gets in.


They want to control how much influence the Feds have over the institution.

Pio1980 08-10-2016 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 327731)
They want to control how much influence the Feds have over the institution.

Forbid they would have to demonstrate a standard of intellectual competence.

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icenine 08-10-2016 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 327731)
They want to control how much influence the Feds have over the institution.


That excuse has been used nefariously for other things.


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