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sheltiedave 08-06-2016 08:26 PM

Two years later, Ferguson is still here
 
with lots of changes...

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...ee2d6922d.html

BlueStreak 08-06-2016 09:01 PM

It's just an unfortunate fact that sometimes hell has to be raised to bring about change. It's never good, people get hurt (or killed), property is destroyed, businesses damaged, communities thrown into chaos. But, the status quo can be incredibly stubborn so long as too many citizens and those in power see no reason to take their fellow man seriously. You can't expect people to just sit on their hands and endure injustice, forever. When peaceful avenues are blocked, complaints ignored, what does that leave?

Unfortunately, human history is full of bloody examples.

Boreas 08-10-2016 02:17 PM

And in other news.

Quote:

Baltimore police routinely violated the constitutional rights of residents by conducting unlawful stops and using excessive force, according to the findings of a long-anticipated Justice Department probe to be released Wednesday.

The practices overwhelmingly affected the city's black residents in low-income neighborhoods, according to the 163-page report. In often scathing language, the report identified systemic problems and cited detailed examples.

The investigators found that "supervisors have issued explicitly discriminatory orders, such as directing a shift to arrest 'all the black hoodies' in a neighborhood."

They also found that black residents were more likely to be stopped and searched as pedestrians and drivers even though police were more likely to find illegal guns, illicit drugs and other contraband on white residents.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...809-story.html

Wasillaguy 08-10-2016 04:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9qhBEMIefc

The latest in stupid human tricks from Ferguson.

Amazingly the guy gets up and runs pretty fast when the bullets start flying, so he's got a couple brain cells.

donquixote99 08-10-2016 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 327740)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9qhBEMIefc

The latest in stupid human tricks from Ferguson.

Amazingly the guy gets up and runs pretty fast when the bullets start flying, so he's got a couple brain cells.

You are wrong. At 1:24-1:30 in the video, you can see the person who was hit being helped off the road by other persons. He is the one with the light blue shirt.

After the shooting starts, it is another person, with a dark shirt, who apparently fell by the side of the road, and gets up and runs.

This picture shows the person who was hit being carried, apparently subsequent to the events in the video:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpdxpYIUsAEJln_.jpg
source: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mic...unfire-n626926

I understand you 'don't care' about persons like this, and I understand why, but your making fun of him, as well as assuming a 'he was faking' narrative without looking closely, shows your way of thinking here in a sorry light.

Wasillaguy 08-10-2016 05:19 PM

Oh ok, I take it back then. The guy who got hit has no brain cells.

Boreas 08-10-2016 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 327740)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9qhBEMIefc

The latest in stupid human tricks from Ferguson.

Amazingly the guy gets up and runs pretty fast when the bullets start flying, so he's got a couple brain cells.


Apart from getting the whole thing wrong, I like the way you honed right in on the really important aspects of this story and ignored the irrelevant side details such as what looks like attempted murder and the nature of the subsequent gunfire. After striking the pedestrian the car doesn't stop. You can see the brake lights come on and then go out, after which the car continues on its way and eventually disappears from view. Only then does the gunfire erupt, calling into doubt the story that it was the protesters firing at the retreating car.

Boreas 08-10-2016 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 327743)
You are wrong. At 1:24-1:30 in the video, you can see the person who was hit being helped off the road by other persons. He is the one with the light blue shirt.

After the shooting starts, it is another person, with a dark shirt, who apparently fell by the side of the road, and gets up and runs.

This picture shows the person who was hit being carried, apparently subsequent to the events in the video:

source: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mic...unfire-n626926

I understand you 'don't care' about persons like this, and I understand why, but you're making fun of him, as well as assuming a 'he was faking' narrative without looking closely, shows your way of thinking here in a sorry light.

Did you notice the headline of the article you linked to?

"Video at Michael Brown March in Ferguson, Missouri, Appears to Capture Gunfire"

What the fuck? Talk about burying the lead!

Wasillaguy 08-10-2016 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 327747)
Apart from getting the whole thing wrong, I like the way you honed right in on the really important aspects of this story and ignored the irrelevant side details such as what looks like attempted murder and the nature of the subsequent gunfire. After striking the pedestrian the car doesn't stop. You can see the brake lights come on and then go out, after which the car continues on its way and eventually disappears from view. Only then does the gunfire erupt, calling into doubt the story that it was the protesters firing at the retreating car.

I thought the really important aspect was kinda self evident- If you stand in the middle of the road at night, you could get hit. Then again, maybe it's not as evident as I perceive. Obviously this guy didn't get the concept.
If someone runs under a tree being felled, and actually gets crushed as would be expected, is the guy with the chain saw an attempted murderer?

Boreas 08-10-2016 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 327759)
I thought the really important aspect was kinda self evident- If you stand in the middle of the road at night, you could get hit. Then again, maybe it's not as evident as I perceive. Obviously this guy didn't get the concept.
If someone runs under a tree being felled, and actually gets crushed as would be expected, is the guy with the chain saw an attempted murderer?

So, your point is "stupid black people". Got it.

MrPots 08-10-2016 05:59 PM

I went to high school in St. Louis and have family there. St. Louis is about as racist as a city can be.

Wasillaguy 08-10-2016 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 327761)
So, your point is "stupid black people". Got it.

Actually my point was stupid people who stand in the road. This one happens to be black, but stupid is found in all colors, shapes, and sizes. Up here it's the homeless drunks that get hit wandering out in the roadway. They are mostly natives, but their ethnicity isn't the problem, the booze is. I've seen them actually play chicken, moving repeatedly back into the path of the vehicle trying to avoid them.
We may eventually find out why this guy was stupid enough to stand in the road.

Tom Joad 08-10-2016 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 327767)
Actually my point was stupid people who stand in the road. This one happens to be black, but stupid is found in all colors, shapes, and sizes. Up here it's the homeless drunks that get hit wandering out in the roadway. They are mostly natives, but their ethnicity isn't the problem, the booze is. I've seen them actually play chicken, moving repeatedly back into the path of the vehicle trying to avoid them.
We may eventually find out why this guy was stupid enough to stand in the road.

When people have no hope, many will turn to booze, or drugs, or crime, or a combination thereof.

Boreas 08-10-2016 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 327767)
Actually my point was stupid people who stand in the road. This one happens to be black, but stupid is found in all colors, shapes, and sizes. Up here it's the homeless drunks that get hit wandering out in the roadway. They are mostly natives, but their ethnicity isn't the problem, the booze is. I've seen them actually play chicken, moving repeatedly back into the path of the vehicle trying to avoid them.
We may eventually find out why this guy was stupid enough to stand in the road.

Your oeuvre here on PC confirms my point. If you had even once posted something which showed black people in a positive light, or white people in a negative light, you might be able to sell this line of crap.

Wasillaguy 08-10-2016 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 327772)
Your oeuvre here on PC confirms my point. If you had even once posted something which showed black people in a positive light, or white people in a negative light, you might be able to sell this line of crap.

You're stuck in your stereotypes again my friend. The thread was about what's happening in Ferguson. This is what's happening in Ferguson.
I've commented before that there's way less racism than the media wants to hype, and that blacks have integrated thoroughly in all classes of society, and that most of us have blacks in our immediate family. I've also pointed out that most blacks are honest, honorable people just like any other ethnicity.
You will not find a comment by me stereotyping any race or ethnicity, except maybe a joke comment about the Irish being lushes or something equally innocuous.
No need for me to make comments of white people in a negative light, there are plenty here who will cover that angle. However, I won't hesitate to point out a white idiot when I see one either. Hillary letting the mass murderer's Daddy in her camera shot would be a good example of some white idiot action.

Tom Joad 08-11-2016 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 327776)
You're stuck in your stereotypes again my friend. The thread was about what's happening in Ferguson. This is what's happening in Ferguson.
I've commented before that there's way less racism than the media wants to hype, and that blacks have integrated thoroughly in all classes of society, and that most of us have blacks in our immediate family. I've also pointed out that most blacks are honest, honorable people just like any other ethnicity.
You will not find a comment by me stereotyping any race or ethnicity, except maybe a joke comment about the Irish being lushes or something equally innocuous.
No need for me to make comments of white people in a negative light, there are plenty here who will cover that angle. However, I won't hesitate to point out a white idiot when I see one either. Hillary letting the mass murderer's Daddy in her camera shot would be a good example of some white idiot action.

Unfortunately for you, it is easy to read between the lines of your posts a decipher their true intent.

Wasillaguy 08-11-2016 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 327841)
Unfortunately for you, it is easy to read between the lines of your posts a decipher their true intent.

Projection much?

hillbilly 08-11-2016 01:14 PM

In other news, Tennessee lost the first TBI Agent In our states history. A black agent was killed by the hands of another black man. I'm sure it's not important to BLM since a white man didn't do it.

http://wkrn.com/2016/08/09/tbi-holds...ng-in-jackson/

donquixote99 08-11-2016 01:35 PM

Why the racial resentment there?

BLM calls for concern for black lives when others are 'shouting' that they don't care. So they won't need to draw attention to this case, will they?

hillbilly 08-11-2016 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 327870)
Why the racial resentment there?

BLM calls for concern for black lives when others are 'shouting' that they don't care. So they won't need to draw attention to this case, will they?

Racial resentment? Just stating a fact. If a white man had killed him you and I both know that it'd be on every mainstream outlet putting other news aside in order to add fuel to the fire to give themselves an even bigger story to cover. Anyone can see that.

d-ray657 08-11-2016 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 327879)
Racial resentment? Just stating a fact. If a white man had killed him you and I both know that it'd be on every mainstream outlet putting other news aside in order to add fuel to the fire to give themselves an even bigger story to cover. Anyone can see that.

Not true. The news organizations were receptive to the apparent use of government force against citizens of color. Whether an officer killed in the line of duty was killed by a white man or a black man is not the story. He was killed in the line of duty and that it the sad and important news.

Maybe those who are fed a steady diet of Fox News and Breitbart can "see" it, but others viewing it objectively are likely to see it another way. Those media outlets are trying to fan other flames. Anyone can see that. :rolleyes:

donquixote99 08-11-2016 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 327865)
I'm sure it's not important to BLM since a white man didn't do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 327879)
Racial resentment? Just stating a fact.

Except it's not a fact. It's a claim you are making. Your statement begins with "I'm sure..." It comes from you, and expresses what you think of BLM.


Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 327879)
If a white man had killed him you and I both know that it'd be on every mainstream outlet putting other news aside in order to add fuel to the fire to give themselves an even bigger story to cover. Anyone can see that.

Again, what I hear here is racial resentment. You feel white people are being attacked by BLM, and you resent it. You imagine BLM being quiet here because they don't have a white man to attack.

As I tried to say before, what BLM protests is what they see as an establishment uncaring attitude toward abuses and killing of black people. Since there is of course tons of official caring about the death of a law enforcement officer, this case does not present the issue they are raising.

The big thing here, seems to me, is you don't think BLM has a legitimate issue. So you view their activities as unjustified, and motivated instead by desire to attack whites, either for political advantage, or just for it's own sake. Would you say I'm reading your views correctly here?


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