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Baltimore County Police Fatally Shoot 23yo Woman
I don't know what to think about this one. You'd think that the police could have found another way to deal with this, seeing as the woman had the child on her lap. That child was also shot, Fortunately, he's expected to survive.
Baltimore County surrounds the city of Baltimore but is a separate jurisdiction. Randallstown is a close-in middle class suburb. I lived there in the late '70s and my then girlfriend lived in the apartment complex where this shooting occurred and is a nurse at the hospital where he was taken. https://www.rt.com/usa/354330-baltim...korryn-gaines/ http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...801-story.html |
Kid could be dead now, due to pushing it to a gunfight. Why push? What's the hurry?
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I'm not sure what else they could do.
She pointed a gun at them and said she was going to kill them. Thankfully, the child will recover physically. |
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Someone points a gun at you, says they are going to kill you, and you say, "Excuse me, give me a minute to "withdraw to a protected position."
Somehow I doubt it. Just my opinion. |
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I agree that lethal force should be the last option. I hadn't thought about the option to withdraw to a protected position. However, not having been there... It would be hard for me to determine if withdrawing would have been a viable option at the time. As for her son..... Considering what I've heard about the adults in the situation and the fact that there was a loaded gun in his presence.... I figure he was already in a dangerous situation before the police ever got there. |
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Logically, these cops would have feared for their safety from the minute they were told to respond to this call. As long as that is sufficient legal justification for the use of deadly force, cops will be able to kill with impunity. |
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Maybe they did, I don't know the answers. Had she threatened to harm the child? |
You point a gun at police while they're there to serve a warrant and you get shot. So be it. Darwin's law.
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Sure, cop walks into a room and gets a gun pointed at them, that's shooting time, i understand. But did this go down that way? Seems like the situation had been going on for a long time, before it came to a head. Seems to me the cops may have been pushing. If so, don't understand why they thought that was a good idea.
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It could be yet another case of suicide by cop.
It's easy to second guess the cops, but with all the crazy shit going on, including ambushes of cops, I'm not sure we're able to put ourselves in that cop's shoes. There are a lot of rough, desperate people with access to weapons in this country.. |
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I haven't read the article and have no knowledge of this incident.
But I am going to go way out on a limb and guess that it was a black person that the cops shot. Let's see if I am right. |
Clicked on the article and,
BINGO! I must have ESP!:D Now, what are the odds that this would have gone down the same way if it had been a white girl holding a white baby? |
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According to several stories from various sources, she had a problem with accepting the authority of the Police Department.
Like it or not, it is not wise to point a gun at an officer and tell him you are going to kill him. It will not work out to your advantage. |
Right you are, that is not a good negotiating tactic.
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I just read an article stating the police backed off, called swat, and negotiated for five hours before she was shot.
Those facts cast a different light on the story. |
Check out the comments in this local news story.
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/randallst...oning/41021404 |
Baltimore County Police Fatally Shoot 23yo Woman
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I can't see the comments when I open the link. Could you give me an idea of what people are saying? |
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Paul marchand • 9 minutes ago Civilization versus imbecility. Revvun Al • an hour ago MY NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK AND "BLACK LIVES MATTER" ARE GOING TO DEMAND A LAW BE PASSED THAT WHEN BLACKS SHOOT AT THE POLICE, THE POLICE SHOULD ONLY FIRE BACK WITH PILLOWS AND POWDER PUFFS! Proud Conservative • an hour ago Good Riddance Wench! Paranoid Leo • 2 hours ago Of course she was suffering from lead poisoning! Everybody knows our people love su cki ng on big lead pipes! Praise Gawd! Trace • 4 hours ago I just came to read the comments from the slaves, bootlickers, and pig worshipers about how this was all her fault. Lightnin' Trace • 3 hours ago Hopefully you'll be next in line to be exterminated. NoJusticeNoPeace1964 • 8 hours ago All Bucks and Buckettes should contract her kind of lead poisoning. Lightnin' • 12 hours ago She had lead, Freddie had lead, the Gentle Giant had lead...I guess this lets off any TH UG in Flint Michigan by declaring "I got lead poisoning!" William Cannon • 13 hours ago she has lead poisoning now...probably 308 caliber... Don't shoot my bruver • 14 hours ago The worst problem she ever had is just being black. It got her killed! Timothy • 14 hours ago So they are trying to excuse her behavior by saying she suffered from lead poisoning. Forget the fact that had she just initially complied, she would be alive, getting treatment for her lead poisoning, and her son would have a Mom and not be wounded. Also, if I was the police, I wouldn't shut down the Facebook or Instagram accounts, I would go on them see who was encouraging her to not turn herself in and charge them with at least obstruction. Maybe the really adamant ones with some sort of manslaughter charge since their encouragement to not surrender helped lead to her death. I really feel for that little boy, he lost his Mom, got wounded, and now has a terrible opinion of the police. Hopefully, he can be raised so that he doesn't become a criminal/victim himself later in life. bbcom Timothy • 2 hours ago I don't see them excusing anything. Just reporting facts and getting to the bottom of what happened. Nothing more than that. Blondlady Timothy • 11 hours ago I feel sorry for the poor, little boy, too. She involved him way too much. TV news showed her telling the little boy to tape the police on a traffic stop. He was only 5 years old! Pants_Up__Dont_Loot Timothy • 12 hours ago The Honorable Sir Fredderick Gray also had lead poisoning....aka another excuse to justify their stupid behavior. |
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Wow.... Thanks for the information. |
the three most recent comments:
"Civilization versus imbecility." "MY NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK AND "BLACK LIVES MATTER" ARE GOING TO DEMAND A LAW BE PASSED THAT WHEN BLACKS SHOOT AT THE POLICE, THE POLICE SHOULD ONLY FIRE BACK WITH PILLOWS AND POWDER PUFFS!" (this from a person who has a parody persona with an avatar and usename of 'Revvrun Al.') "Good Riddance Wench!" (from username 'Proud Conservative') I think we should just shut down the Internet. Seriously. |
The report on WJZ was that the police were trying to negotiate with her for several hours. Meanwhile she was using her phone to post it all live on social media where several posters were tellling her not to negotiate and encouraging her behavior..
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And they killed her? Jesus Fucking Christ. |
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They didn't kill her for traffic warrants. They killed her because she pointed a gun at cops and threatened to kill them and didn't back down after hours of negotiation. |
One could ask her the same thing in retrospect.
JHFC woman! WTF ??? Over fucking traffic tickets and a no-show? Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk |
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The fact that it did is on the Police. I swear you people are no better than the ones that wrote those internet comments that Boreas linked to. You're essentially displaying the same mentality, you are just using more PC terminology. |
1. They should have killed her comms with anyone accept the negotiator.
2. Any persons 'urging her on' should be prosecuted as an accessory. 3. Why push? Wait wait wait. This one is where the cops must explain things. Pushing put the child at extreme risk. Why push? |
They'll wait if it's a hostage situation, but once they see the business end of a weapon pointed at them, they are trained to respond immediately with lethal force to save their own life.
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That have her under siege in her apartment. She's not going anywhere. They know she has a gun. So why the fuck go in and give her a chance to point it at you? Unless maybe you are looking for an excuse to shoot her. I guarendamntee ya if this girl had been white the Cops would have made a whole lot more effort to resolve this situation without shooting her. |
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Or did you make more than one of them? |
Understood. It was a hostage situation. Hours passed. then how did they become exposed to the 'business end of a weapon?' I can imagine reasonable and questionable scenearios here. Need light on the matter.
It did not end well. |
What was her "point" with this?
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Also, from their previous interaction with her, the cops should have recognized that they were headed for a confrontation with a deranged individual with two small children. They made no preparations for that prior to their arrival. |
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But however we judge her, total consideration and extreme care should have been extended to protect the child's life. |
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I seriously doubt the cop that shot her waited for her to point the gun at him. Who puts themselves at that kind of risk to serve a bench warrant? It's not like they had Hannibal Lecter cornered in that apartment.
I'm going to go out on a limb and make another prediction. There will be, for whatever reason, no body camera or other video evidence of this shooting. We will be expected to buy the cops story about the gun being pointed at him based on his word as "an officer and a gentleman":rolleyes: |
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