Polls - Clinton Fading
 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nton-5491.html

So, is this the post convention bounce for Trump that will reverse itself, or is it a continuation of the fading poll results for Clinton the accelerated after Comey's report came out? In any case, Hilly needs big bounce out of Cleveland.

To us Bernie Bros, this is beginning to look like a "told you so" moment. This looks too small for a convention bounce and, after that convention, any sort of bounce seems unlikely. It appears to be a continuation of the gradual erosion of Clinton's support that's been in progress since the end of March. But I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Bernie had no real chance, and the notion of this orange ass clown getting the nod isn't acceptable.

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Only because the fix was in. ;)

He consistently polled better against Trump than Clinton has. If the objective was to defeat Trump, Bernie was the logical candidate. But since the objective was to maintain the corporate stranglehold on America and since Bernie sought to end the power of the oligarchs, he had to go. And since both Clinton and Trump can be relied upon to protect the interests of the oligarchs, they've engineered the election to the point where their interests will be protected no matter who wins.

Why was the rest of the nation not as smart as you John?

You seem to have it all figured out.

Similarly, Kasich consistently polled as the guy with the best chance of beating Clinton. Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

Still plenty of time for the Orange clown to choke and for enough people to realize he presents a danger.. I hope.

The rest of the nation was unable to figure out the corruption of the housing bubble before it happened even though thousands of people willingly and actively participated in that corruption. We all played along until disaster happened and then we rewarded the crooks that orchestrated it all. The few smart folks who have figured out this election when the rest of the nation hasn't isn't surprising at all.

The results will be the same.

The truth is like poetry....and most people fucking hate poetry.....

Surely if you can grasp the truth like John others in America would be able to.

Look, ice, if you have a counter-argument to my post, then present it and then we can debate it. All you've been doing for months here is sniping at and insulting anyone you disagree with. It makes you look really bad, Proust notwithstanding.

At this point, that seems to be impossible.

I'm not sure what the truth is. But I know we aren't living it.

I don't think the polls would translate to a tangible result Nov 4.

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You seem to think my opinion is uniquely my own. It isn't.

Which is why Trump offered him the co-presidency first.

Get back to me after Labor Day, Mike. Breathlessly following the polls day by day is a fool's errand.

It's how one discerns trends and, in this case, the trend is against Clinton.

Trump got a predictable 5-6 point bounce from his convention. Hillary will likely also do so. The next meaningful poll will be one a couple weeks after the DNC when the smoke clears and her bump settles.

I am the only one that has been doing this?

I am mystified while the millions of voters in New York, Ohio, California, the South, Virginia, Massachusetts, etc could not see the truth where you did.

I have much more faith in the American voter than you do.

I know this argument is an article of faith amongst our lefty-er than thou democrats but Sen. Sanders was never subjected the full court press of the media and the frightwing moles embedded within them. Bernie has never had to 'splain what he meant when he opined that lack of sex caused cancer in women and other various papers he wrote for the alt-left press back in the '70s. He also never released his taxes other than one year's barebones cover page, as is customary for presidential candidates and which he and his wife publically promised to do.

It requires some fairly magical thinking to believe that his poll numbers wouldn't have taken a nose dive if he won the nomination and the press started digging into the somewhat salacious tidbits in his history.

However, Bernie did the stand up thing yesterday during the rollcall votes. He proved he is mensch par excellance as far as I'm concerned when he moved for a suspension of the rules and threw all of his delegates to our nominee.

Like it or not, most voters aren't ready for one of us old tie dyed hippie freaks from the Age of Aquarius to be the commander in chief.

Suck is life.

The way I read it, Trump's numbers went from an RCP average -2.8% before the convention to an RCP average of +1.1% after, a total swing of 3.9%. This, in my opinion, is despite the convention, not because of it. That was as unbounceworthy a convention as we've had since 1968. I think Trump got bupkis out of his convention. His increase is organic and will persist.

Thnx for this, the long form explanation of why I and probably the DNC didn't think him electable.

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They didn't have to. The DNC did it for them.

The rest of your post is pure unadulterated guessing, but the fact is we'll never know. On the other hand, Clinton's failure will be well documented.

You have to admit there's been quite a bit a sand tossed by both sides in this hard fought primary season, myself included. :o

The difference between the right and the left is we tend to bury the hatchet and move on.

Pure unadulterated horseshit, John.

I'm never gonna forgive you guys! TJ and I are forming a club.

Did you catch the California contingent of the BoB's bellowing "Goldman Sachs" at Sen. Warren yesterday? I swear I saw that old goat, TJ leading the charge in the middle of it. :D

Let me flip the question, why did Hillary lose to Bernie in so many states? After all the primaries were rigged every which way and you guys needed the Russians to tell you that. :rolleyes:

No wonder that Debbie 'whatshername' Schultz got fired, not for getting caught but she did such a porotten job of fixing the primaries. Hillary should have been near unanimous or better yet unopposed (which was the plan all along).

If Hillary does lose the general election, I will hold the Democratic Party and the crooks within it responsible.

Clinton's problem now is the vociferous, media savvy, street wise, non forgiving Bernie supports. They are ubiquitous.

They keeping remind people that Clinton and her people are inherently corrupt.

The last thing I heard on the radio is that law suits are going to be filed against the DNC and DWS.

These people it seems are determined to make the anti Clinton noise as loud as possible.

That Clinton cannot put away Trump (with his large negatives) is ominous.

Naw, it's petulant kabuki theater from a small minority of Jill Stein's green weenies copying Code Pink. They'll return to their mom's basements in short order.
Hopefully they'll start playing Pokémon Go out on the expressway or in the Holland Tunnel. ;)

This.


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Is that supposed to be a defence?

More sarcasm without the slightest hint of a counter-argument.

You can say that after "W" was elected twice?

For which there is still no proof. It could just as easily been the NSA.

One of these days I am hoping Ice will tell us why he finds Hillary so admirable and without any human faults that she can command such unshakable loyalty out of him.

Ridiculing them won't make them go away or blunt their righteous anger.

At this point he appears to be incapable of it. This could also explain his hostility.

I'm equally mystified by how an avowed atheist such as yourself has deified another atheist. :rolleyes:

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I hurt your precious fee-fees, again? Maybe these whining little babies will heed Sarah Silverman's call to stop being ridiculous. :rolleyes:

You really need to back off on the use of :rolleyes:, now please tell me who am I defying? As to atheists, we are the most reviled group in America, so insults are nothing to me. :)