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Charles 05-27-2009 10:15 PM

Vetting Sotomayer
 
SEN. KENNEDY: "Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is -- and is often the only -- protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy... President Reagan is still our president. But he should not be able to reach out from the muck of Irangate, reach into the muck of Watergate and impose his reactionary vision of the Constitution on the Supreme Court and the next generation of Americans. No justice would be better than this injustice."

Do you suppose any Republicans will attack Ms Sotomayer in this manner?

Chas

Sandy G 05-28-2009 05:36 AM

Nope. The Swimmer can get away w/saying shyte like this because, well, he IS Senator Kennedy, liberal lion of the Senate, champeen of the poor, downtrodden, & Oppressed, smiter of rich, evil, conservative bigots...Besides, we all know full well that liberals get a mulligan on saying stuff like this, because they're ALWAYS on the side of what's good & fair, God (Just don't mention Him at a public place) Motherhood (Especially if you have 2 mommies) 'n' Apple Pie (I won't eat it if the apples were sprayed w/insecticide...)

noonereal 05-28-2009 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 1114)
SEN. KENNEDY: "Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is -- and is often the only -- protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy... President Reagan is still our president. But he should not be able to reach out from the muck of Irangate, reach into the muck of Watergate and impose his reactionary vision of the Constitution on the Supreme Court and the next generation of Americans. No justice would be better than this injustice."

Do you suppose any Republicans will attack Ms Sotomayer in this manner?

Chas

newt already has, so has rush.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05...y5043597.shtml

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/23024.html

noonereal 05-28-2009 07:05 AM

Sotomayor's resume, record

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/...ume/index.html

merrylander 05-28-2009 07:15 AM

It seems that what Kennedy predicted has come to pass, can you say No Knock warrants? How many innocent people have died?

Abortions banned in many states regardless of whether continuing with the pregnancy will kill the mother - yeah, serves her right she should never have had sex in the first place.

gonzp 05-28-2009 08:06 AM

She has been vetted and confirmed twice already. Right?

noonereal 05-28-2009 08:41 AM

Good point

Charles 05-28-2009 03:59 PM

While I find her comment to be quite benign for a racist remark, Rush and Newt do have a point. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Personally, I think that it's time everyone grew up and admitted that everyone is racist to a certain extent. It's the nature of the beast. And I also feel that Kennedy's remarks were purely political, and far beyond the limits of a rational critique.

And what have may come to pass after his (Kennedy) remarks do not reflect on Robert Bork, as he was never appointed.

By the way, it is my opinion that an abortion is a private matter, and none of the government's business. And while there may be a time and a place for a no knock, the guidelines need to be narrowed considerably. Hell, the entire scope of the government needs to be narrowed considerably.

Chas

Ozmoid 05-28-2009 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 1134)
y the way, it is my opinion that an abortion is a private matter, and none of the government's business. And while there may be a time and a place for a no knock, the guidelines need to be narrowed considerably. Hell, the entire scope of the government needs to be narrowed considerably.

Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh... Thank You, Charles. A sane voice is welcomed in this chaos.

Sandy G 05-29-2009 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles (Post 1134)
While I find her comment to be quite benign for a racist remark, Rush and Newt do have a point. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Personally, I think that it's time everyone grew up and admitted that everyone is racist to a certain extent. It's the nature of the beast. And I also feel that Kennedy's remarks were purely political, and far beyond the limits of a rational critique.

And what have may come to pass after his (Kennedy) remarks do not reflect on Robert Bork, as he was never appointed.

By the way, it is my opinion that an abortion is a private matter, and none of the government's business. And while there may be a time and a place for a no knock, the guidelines need to be narrowed considerably. Hell, the entire scope of the government needs to be narrowed considerably.

Chas

Amen !! QFT !

merrylander 05-29-2009 07:48 AM

Sorry but there is no time and place for no-knock, it is a complete violation of the 4th and 6th ammendments.

Charles 05-29-2009 04:17 PM

No Knock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 1144)
Sorry but there is no time and place for no-knock, it is a complete violation of the 4th and 6th ammendments.

You know what Merrylander, I'm not inclined to argue the point with you.

I also know there are a few folks that I wouldn't want to walk up and knock on their door, then tell them that I had a warrant for their arrest. I had an old buddy (dead now), deputy with more felony busts than almost any cop in the state. After a while, he just started calling people up on the phone, and told them to get their ass down to the jail because he wanted to talk to them. I think they all came. But there were a few he didn't try this on.

99% of the time, you're not dealing with a mad dog killer, and there is no need for a no knock. Most of the time, no knocks are issued to keep the suspect from destroying evidence. Which brings up the question, if you don't have enough evidence to arrest them in the 1st place, then why in the hell ARE you arresting them in the 1st place.

If I were to make a case against no knocks, it would be the CF that the convenience store people (ATF) pulled down in Waco. Those assholes were putting on the dog, even had the media there to record it. Kind of like one of those crappy reality police TV shows.

All that was needed to be done was to send a deputy down to knock on the door, say "David, I've got a warrant for your arrest, let's go down to the station and clear this up." And 90 some people would still be alive.

BTW, I don't remember the Feds ever coming up with even ONE example of a weapon that was illegally modified to fire full automatic. Then again, didn't they bulldoze the place after a couple of days? Looks to me that they weren't looking for evidence, they were trying to destroy it.

But pay no attention to me, I took an online personality test, and it said that I was paranoid. I wonder who writes that crap, they must live a sheltered life,

Chas

merrylander 05-30-2009 08:06 AM

Then there were the cases where they broke into houses with no warning and the homeowners trying to defend their homes were shot.

Or the one in DC where one of the kids was in jail for pushing drugs so they guessed that the whole family was involved. Actually the family was clean but they busted down the door and did not find a thing. When asked by the homeowner who was going to fix the door they said that's your problem (*goodbye fourth). When they asked who had said they were doing drugs the cops said we can't tell you (goodbye sixth). And an even more recent case in this area where they burst into the mayor's home and shot two dogs, then it turns out that it was the police who mailed a box of mary jane to his house - he had not opened it BTW. Serve and protect? Yeah most of them do, but not the drug busters, you see if they 'find' drugs on the premises they get to keep the house, the furniture, the cars, etc.

noonereal 05-30-2009 08:44 AM

We may want to reevaluate just what is going on.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1093c.asp

Charles 05-30-2009 02:09 PM

Asset Forfeiture
 
Like the old saying goes, things like that can't happen in a free country.

Chas


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