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Tom Joad 07-09-2016 08:10 AM
Don’t Blame Me If Trump Wins
 
This is an excellent article IMO.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/...if-trump-wins/

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Trump may be atrocious, flippant, idiotic, and disgusting on numerous levels. Still, he’s not wrong when he points out that the Democrats have sold the nation’s working class down the river in the name of “free trade.” The Clintons’ noxious embrace of the North American Free Trade Agreement – a disaster for the U.S. working class – and Obama’s revolting championing of the arch global-corporatist, arch-authoritarian and darkly secretive Trans Pacific Partnership speak volumes about neoliberal-era Democrats’ deep enmeshment in the perverse politics of the financial Few over and against the Many and the common good.

Trump’s not wrong when he says that Hillary’s foreign policy positions and actions have sown chaos and disaster in the Middle East, specifically in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. And Trump’s not wrong when he says that Hillary and her husband have a long and terrible record of corruption reaching back to Whitewater, up through Benghazi and the email scandal, the atrocious globalist Clinton Foundation, and the Big Creep’s unseemly airport encounter with Loretta Lynch last week. The preposterous Trump’s cynical take on the shady, scheming, and elitist Clintons, Obamas, and other top Democrats is all too sadly rooted in reality.

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sheltiedave 07-09-2016 08:38 AM
Trump doesn't broker agreements and TSPs. He just doesn't pay the workers. He bankrupts contractor companies, his own company, and he takes the money, runs, and lawyers up.

In the end, they get screwed either way.

Rajoo 07-09-2016 09:02 AM
About half of Trumps support is from anti-Hillary voters and about the same for Hillary from anti-Trump voters. Let's assume that these numbers will stay till November.

It's quite possible that Hillary's support will soften significantly since the FBI report was publicized. If so her margin in the polls can only diminish thus making the election a tossup. OTOH, Trump may be able to stall on his TrumpU lawsuit thus minimizing any fallout from his support.

MrPots 07-09-2016 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 322480)
About half of Trumps support is from anti-Hillary voters and about the same for Hillary from anti-Trump voters. Let's assume that these numbers will stay till November.
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Our election system is so broke, so corrupt, and we as a society refuse to be bothered with fixing it. We just stick our heads in the sand and play along. It's almost as if we as a society want this country to fail. Almost as if we're trying to give it away to the highest bidder because we don't want to fuck with it. Like many of the issues that face our society today that have plagued us for decades.

This says quite a bit about us as a people. We have the potential for greatness, but we don't want to fuck with it.

Our for-fathers would be proud.

Tom Joad 07-09-2016 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 322480)
About half of Trumps support is from anti-Hillary voters and about the same for Hillary from anti-Trump voters. Let's assume that these numbers will stay till November.

It's quite possible that Hillary's support will soften significantly since the FBI report was publicized. If so her margin in the polls can only diminish thus making the election a tossup. OTOH, Trump may be able to stall on his TrumpU lawsuit thus minimizing any fallout from his support.
I just don't see Trump as being anywhere near as bad as Hillary.

Trump University, yeah, that's a scam, but no worse than hundreds, shit thousands of other scams out there. And it pales in comparison to the way Wall Street rips off Main Street on a daily basis. I feel that Trump is, quite frankly, being treated very unfairly and I think it's mostly because he's not a political insider.

Tom Joad 07-09-2016 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 322481)
Our election system is so broke, so corrupt, and we as a society refuse to be bothered with fixing it. We just stick our heads in the sand and play along. It's almost as if we as a society want this country to fail. Almost as if we're trying to give it away to the highest bidder because we don't want to fuck with it. Like many of the issues that face our society today that have plagued us for decades.

This says quite a bit about us as a people. We have the potential for greatness, but we don't want to fuck with it.

Our for-fathers would be proud.
It's not being fixed because it already is "fixed" so that very powerful people with lots of money can continue to be very powerful and make even more money.

barbara 07-09-2016 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 322518)
I just don't see Trump as being anywhere near as bad as Hillary.

Trump University, yeah, that's a scam, but no worse than hundreds, shit thousands of other scams out there. And it pales in comparison to the way Wall Street rips off Main Street on a daily basis. I feel that Trump is, quite frankly, being treated very unfairly and I think it's mostly because he's not a political insider.


If you are worried about Wall Street ripping off Main Street..... Then why do you support Trump? Trump IS Wall Street.

Tom Joad 07-09-2016 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 322521)
If you are worried about Wall Street ripping off Main Street..... Then why do you support Trump? Trump IS Wall Street.
No, he isn't.

Trump is Trump.

As for what kind of President he would be, I have no idea.

And neither do you.

But with Hillary I know.

She will be same shit different day and that is no good as far as I am concerned.

At least with Trump we have a chance.

And if he's bad, we get a chance to run a real progressive against him in four years.

On the other hand if Hillary is elected we are also going to be stuck with her in 2020 because no matter how bad she is, it is virtually unheard of for a sitting President not to get their parties nomination if they run for reelection.

So that means 2024 is the next chance to run a true progressive, which Hillary is not.

finnbow 07-09-2016 12:55 PM
The article cited in the OP starts with the premise that trade agreements are inherently and indisputably bad. I think that such agreements, on balance, are good for the country and its workforce.

Tom Joad 07-09-2016 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 322524)
The article cited in the OP starts with the premise that trade agreements are inherently and indisputably bad. I think that such agreements, on balance, are good for the country and its workforce.
No, they are not inherently bad.

They are bad because they are being written by lobbyists for multi-national corporations.

barbara 07-09-2016 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 322523)
No, he isn't.



Trump is Trump.



As for what kind of President he would be, I have no idea.



And neither do you.



But with Hillary I know.



She will be same shit different day and that is no good as far as I am concerned.



At least with Trump we have a chance.



And if he's bad, we get a chance to run a real progressive against him in four years.



On the other hand if Hillary is elected we are also going to be stuck with her in 2020 because no matter how bad she is, it is virtually unheard of for a sitting President not to get their parties nomination if they run for reelection.



So that means 2024 is the next chance to run a true progressive, which Hillary is not.


That you don't believe that Trump is Wall Street only confirms you have been conned by the con man.

Hook, line, and sinker....

I'm not surprised.

barbara 07-09-2016 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 322526)
No, they are not inherently bad.



They are bad because they are being written by lobbyists for multi-national corporations.


I suppose you believe Trump has nothing to do with multi national corporations too.... 😏

finnbow 07-09-2016 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 322529)
I suppose you believe Trump has nothing to do with multi national corporations too.... 😏
No kidding. Trump himself is a multinational corporation, and one that has royally screwed everybody but himself, from investors to suppliers to employees, for decades. He represents the absolute worst in business ethics.

Tom Joad 07-09-2016 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 322528)
That you don't believe that Trump is Wall Street only confirms you have been conned by the con man.

Hook, line, and sinker....

I'm not surprised.
I'll take my chances. It's better than being a Clinton Kool-Aid drinker such as yourself.

Pio1980 07-09-2016 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 322518)
I just don't see Trump as being anywhere near as bad as Hillary.

Trump University, yeah, that's a scam, but no worse than hundreds, shit thousands of other scams out there. And it pales in comparison to the way Wall Street rips off Main Street on a daily basis. I feel that Trump is, quite frankly, being treated very unfairly and I think it's mostly because he's not a political insider.
Trump is the guy you don't buy a used car from. Trump is the guy you don't sign a mortgage with. Trump is the guy you don't go into partnership with. Trump is the guy you don't sign anything he puts in front of you. Trump is the guy you don't trust for anything anytime.
This is his track record, I don't see anything here that says, "what the hell, let's make him our President". There is no basis to think so, based on his history of self centered incompetence.



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Tom Joad 07-09-2016 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 322530)
No kidding. Trump himself is a multinational corporation, and one that has royally screwed everybody but himself, from investors to suppliers to employees, for decades. He represents the absolute worst in business ethics.
Worse than Bear Sterns, Goldman Sachs, Countrywide, Wachovia, Lehman brothers, Halliburton, etc. etc.?

barbara 07-09-2016 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 322531)
I'll take my chances. It's better than being a Clinton Kool-Aid drinker such as yourself.


Right..... You only support Trump because he isn't Clinton.

Tom Joad 07-09-2016 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 322535)
Right..... You only support Trump because he isn't Clinton.
Bingo!

You get a fish for that one!

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...09b8595c_b.jpg

Boreas 07-09-2016 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 322535)
Right..... You only support Trump because he isn't Clinton.
That's nearly a good enough reason.;)

finnbow 07-09-2016 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 322534)
Worse than Bear Sterns, Goldman Sachs, Countrywide, Wachovia, Lehman brothers, Halliburton, etc. etc.?
Debatable. However, the notion that Trump will do anything whatsoever to reel in Wall Street abuse is ridiculous. Hillary, despite her catering to Wall Street as a NY Senator, will at least be influenced by her party to do so and will likely retain or even strengthen Dodd-Frank and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau). Trump and a GOP Congress will kill these initiatives deader than Elvis.

barbara 07-09-2016 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 322536)
Bingo!



You get a fish for that one!



http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...09b8595c_b.jpg


What a lame reason to support a candidate.

But, again, I'm not surprised.

Tom Joad 07-09-2016 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 322539)
What a lame reason to support a candidate.
I learned it from the "She's not Trump" people. ;)

finnbow 07-09-2016 01:36 PM
Though Trump wants to win the presidency, I don't think he wants to be president.

Tom Joad 07-09-2016 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 322541)
Though Trump wants to win the presidency, I don't think he wants to be president.
I wouldn't want it.

It's a suck ass job.

Now Dictator, that I could go for. :D

finnbow 07-09-2016 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 322540)
I learned it from the "She's not Trump" people. ;)
http://media.cagle.com/47/2016/07/07/181685_600.jpg

Rajoo 07-09-2016 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 322543)
If this cartoon was posted in a multiple choice question, none of the above will be the correct answer.

Tom Joad 07-09-2016 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 322543)
That pretty much says it all.

BlueStreak 07-09-2016 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 322477)
Sure, he's not wrong about those things.........

What worries me is his solutions...... Wait a minute....... Does he have any solutions?

BlueStreak 07-09-2016 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 322541)
Though Trump wants to win the presidency, I don't think he wants to be president.
The office is just a trophy for his ego. The actual work would go to the Vice President......who would be the real president.

People like Trump don't do any work. That's for the underlings.

bobabode 07-09-2016 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 322555)
The office is just a trophy for his ego. The actual work would go to the Vice President......who would be the real president.

People like Trump don't do any work. That's for the underlings.
President Newt Gingivitis is a truly scary thought.

Rajoo 07-09-2016 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 322559)
President Newt Gingivitis is a truly scary thought.
Let's be hopeful, Newt has more baggage than even Hillary. :D

Pio1980 07-09-2016 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 322555)
The office is just a trophy for his ego. The actual work would go to the Vice President......who would be the real president.

People like Trump don't do any work. That's for the underlings.
Also, paying taxes is for the little people.
Said by another charming New Yorker.

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