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BlueStreak 06-28-2016 12:19 PM

Trey "Conehead" Gowdy, like Issa before him, is an ass........
 
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hou...cid=spartandhp

All just another idiotic Republican witch hunt.

finnbow 06-28-2016 02:46 PM

Looks a B-movie Dracula character.

bobabode 06-28-2016 02:52 PM

Poor widdle Trey Gowdy and his gaggle of Tea Party nitwits.

Roundly spanked by a grandma. :D

icenine 06-28-2016 04:55 PM

Just think your enemies are always finding you innocent over and over again.....

bobabode 06-28-2016 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 321245)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hou...cid=spartandhp

All just another idiotic Republican witch hunt.

Might as well have taken that $7,000,000.00, threw in a wheelbarrow and set it on fire for all the good it did. :p

So much for the myth that the GOP is the 'fiscally responsible' party.

finnbow 06-28-2016 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 321285)
Might as well have taken that $7,000,000.00, threw in a wheelbarrow and set it on fire for all the good it did. :p

Yeh, they could have invested it in Trump steaks.;)

bobabode 06-28-2016 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 321288)
Yeh, they could have invested it in Trump steaks.;)

or hookers and blow.

whell 06-29-2016 08:23 AM

If this weren't so sad it would be funny.

The article headline: "House Benghazi Panel Finds No New Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton". Sounds like the author of the article is seriously relieved. :rolleyes:

By the way, the old evidence of Hillary's wrongdoing on this issue is still strewn about like trash on the ground after a rock concert.

And of course, the politicized response to this report by the Dems mentions Trump about 15 times. I didn't know Trump was in the State Department at that time.:rolleyes:

Boreas 06-29-2016 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 321315)
If this weren't so sad it would be funny.

The article headline: "House Benghazi Panel Finds No New Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton". Sounds like the author of the article is seriously relieved. :rolleyes:

By the way, the old evidence of Hillary's wrongdoing on this issue is still strewn about like trash on the ground after a rock concert.

And of course, the politicized response to this report by the Dems mentions Trump about 15 times. I didn't know Trump was in the State Department at that time.:rolleyes:


The trouble is, whell, that all those investigations and 7 million dollars came up with nothing at all so the headline should have read: "House Benghazi Panel Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton", not no new evidence.

bobabode 06-29-2016 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 321315)
If this weren't so sad it would be funny.

The article headline: "House Benghazi Panel Finds No New Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton". Sounds like the author of the article is seriously relieved. :rolleyes:

By the way, the old evidence of Hillary's wrongdoing on this issue is still strewn about like trash on the ground after a rock concert.

And of course, the politicized response to this report by the Dems mentions Trump about 15 times. I didn't know Trump was in the State Department at that time.:rolleyes:

What is this "old evidence" that you speak of, Whell?

bobabode 06-29-2016 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 321316)
The trouble is, whell, that all those investigations and 7 million dollars came up with nothing at all so the headline should have read: "House Benghazi Panel Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton", not no new evidence.

Agreed. The Post editors just can't help themselves throwing a dig at the Clintons when they pen a headline.

BlueStreak 06-29-2016 11:48 AM

A friend recently commented, once again just as he has numerous times over the last year or so; "When the indictment comes down....".

I reminded him once again that; "First they have to prove that an actual crime was committed, which they haven't. Wishing it was so, doesn't make it so. It's the Constitution, Don. Even Hillary has rights.".

It's that last sentence that makes his face turn red.

ZeroJunk 06-29-2016 12:01 PM

That was all about the upcoming election and a narrative that the administration had a real handle on the middle east and that their policies were working. Sending reinforcement in to protect the ambassador would have sent a signal that maybe it wasn't working, or maybe they just didn't know that it wasn't working.

The insane story about the video that nobody ever saw was concocted to get through the election without tarnishing the Middle East narrative.


Other than lying like all politicians do all the time I don't see what Hillary did that was illegal.

whell 06-29-2016 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 321316)
The trouble is, whell, that all those investigations and 7 million dollars came up with nothing at all so the headline should have read: "House Benghazi Panel Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton", not no new evidence.

Is that really "the trouble", pimple? Nothing about how the attack was handled, including all of the lying and obfuscation in the aftermath of the attack FOR WEEKS troubles you at all?

Sad.

Boreas 06-29-2016 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 321343)
Is that really "the trouble", pimple? Nothing about how the attack was handled, including all of the lying and obfuscation in the aftermath of the attack FOR WEEKS troubles you at all?

Sad.

For instance?

Pio1980 06-29-2016 12:21 PM

Bengazi was only ever about marginalizing Hillz as a Presidential candidate.
Money squandered by "the party of fiscal responsibility" (never mind the 24 bil in lost commerce during the recession recovery with the shutdown "nobody" wanted).

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bobabode 06-29-2016 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 321347)
Bengazi was only ever about marginalizing Hillz as a Presidential candidate.

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Yep. Kevin McCarthy Ca.-GOTP spilled the beans on national TV.
We grow 'em stupid in the San Joaquin Valley. ;)

bobabode 06-29-2016 02:03 PM

Ambassador Steven's sister speaks out again.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...n-for-benghazi

finnbow 06-29-2016 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 321343)
Is that really "the trouble", pimple? Nothing about how the attack was handled, including all of the lying and obfuscation in the aftermath of the attack FOR WEEKS troubles you at all?

Sad.

They spent years and untold millions figuring out that State, DoD and the CIA don't effectively communicate and cooperate. I could have told you that 30 years ago. They never have and never will.

whell 06-29-2016 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 321345)
For instance?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...628-story.html

The administration looked for an official to go on the Sunday morning talk shows Sept. 16. Ben Rhodes, President Barack Obama's deputy national security adviser, sent a request to Clinton but never heard back. The thankless job fell to Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N. Rice had little knowledge of the events. She relied in part on background information from Rhodes.

Here the report gets at the politics of Benghazi, because it shows that among Rhodes' talking points to Rice was this specific goal to communicate to the viewing public: "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."


In other words: In mid-September 2012, in the wake of a terrorist attack in Libya, with Obama up for re-election in two months and Clinton's own presidential aspirations at risk, the White House sent a lesser representative (Rice) in front of the cameras. Armed with bad information, she insisted that four Americans died as the result of a spontaneous protest — not because of Washington's failure to anticipate a terrorist attack on an isolated U.S. compound in unstable Libya on the anniversary of 9/11.

According to the report, several Libya experts at State flipped out when they heard Rice peddling the demonstration story. "Off the reservation on five networks!" wrote one. "WH (White House) very worried about the politics. This was all their doing," wrote another.

Obama, too, went uncorrected publicly by Clinton when, in several public appearances, he conflated Arab world protests about the video with the terrorist attack in Benghazi. In a Sept. 25 speech at the U.N., Obama cited the video six times.


In my opinion, Gowdy and company soft-pedaled this "lapse". They simply presented these facts as they occurred. First, when it was time to face the media, Clinton we're told, wasn't available when the White House Staff (Rhodes) was calling to coordinate a response. So, the gang that couldn't shoot straight brought out a "lesser representative": Rice.

The fact indicate that the State Dept knew early on that this wasn't a spontaneous uprising in reaction to a video: "still in the early hours of the activity" they knew. The YouTube video narrative appears to have come from Ben Rhodes, who gave it to Susan Rice because the White House wanted to "underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."

Rice, armed with the video story fiction, spread it all over the media in Sunday morning. I remember watching it, and at the time I was thinking that her story was not at all credible, and wondering why in the hell there were riots going on over a YouTube video that no one had ever hear of before.

We're asked to believe that this was all a great big misunderstanding or miscommunication. Some less than discriminating folks here apparently apparently subscribe to that notion as well:

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 321351)
They spent years and untold millions figuring out that State, DoD and the CIA don't effectively communicate and cooperate. I could have told you that 30 years ago. They never have and never will.

Yet, this "little misunderstanding" continued long after. Obama spewed the fiction all over the UN over a week later. The State Dept KNEW it was BS. Obama and Hillary appeared together and lied to the families about the attack being about a video as the bodies of the victims arrived back in the US:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSooz2wXpes

Why? It can only be concluded that there was a decision to pedal a lie for political expediency. Rhodes didn't work for Clinton. He worked at the White House. Clinton worked for Obama. Obama would have been fully briefed by the State Dept - Clinton and staff - about what happened in Benghazi, probably almost in real time assuming he answered the phone.

For Obama and Clinton to be willing to pedal such a bald faced lie because of concern over their owner personal political fortunes, to continue to do it as the bodies of the victims are being off-loaded right in front of both of them, and continue to do it afterwards, is just about the most disgusting behavior imaginable.

Pio1980 06-29-2016 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 321372)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...628-story.html

The administration looked for an official to go on the Sunday morning talk shows Sept. 16. Ben Rhodes, President Barack Obama's deputy national security adviser, sent a request to Clinton but never heard back. The thankless job fell to Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N. Rice had little knowledge of the events. She relied in part on background information from Rhodes.

Here the report gets at the politics of Benghazi, because it shows that among Rhodes' talking points to Rice was this specific goal to communicate to the viewing public: "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."


In other words: In mid-September 2012, in the wake of a terrorist attack in Libya, with Obama up for re-election in two months and Clinton's own presidential aspirations at risk, the White House sent a lesser representative (Rice) in front of the cameras. Armed with bad information, she insisted that four Americans died as the result of a spontaneous protest — not because of Washington's failure to anticipate a terrorist attack on an isolated U.S. compound in unstable Libya on the anniversary of 9/11.

According to the report, several Libya experts at State flipped out when they heard Rice peddling the demonstration story. "Off the reservation on five networks!" wrote one. "WH (White House) very worried about the politics. This was all their doing," wrote another.

Obama, too, went uncorrected publicly by Clinton when, in several public appearances, he conflated Arab world protests about the video with the terrorist attack in Benghazi. In a Sept. 25 speech at the U.N., Obama cited the video six times.


In my opinion, Gowdy and company soft-pedaled this "lapse". They simply presented these facts as they occurred. First, when it was time to face the media, Clinton we're told, wasn't available when the White House Staff (Rhodes) was calling to coordinate a response. So, the gang that couldn't shoot straight brought out a "lesser representative": Rice.

The fact indicate that the State Dept knew early on that this wasn't a spontaneous uprising in reaction to a video: "still in the early hours of the activity" they knew. The YouTube video narrative appears to have come from Ben Rhodes, who gave it to Susan Rice because the White House wanted to "underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."

Rice, armed with the video story fiction, spread it all over the media in Sunday morning. I remember watching it, and at the time I was thinking that her story was not at all credible, and wondering why in the hell there were riots going on over a YouTube video that no one had ever hear of before.

We're asked to believe that this was all a great big misunderstanding or miscommunication. Some less than discriminating folks here apparently apparently subscribe to that notion as well:



Yet, this "little misunderstanding" continued long after. Obama spewed the fiction all over the UN over a week later. The State Dept KNEW it was BS. Obama and Hillary appeared together and lied to the families about the attack being about a video as the bodies of the victims arrived back in the US:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSooz2wXpes

Why? It can only be concluded that there was a decision to pedal a lie for political expediency. Rhodes didn't work for Clinton. He worked at the White House. Clinton worked for Obama. Obama would have been fully briefed by the State Dept - Clinton and staff - about what happened in Benghazi, probably almost in real time assuming he answered the phone.

For Obama and Clinton to be willing to pedal such a bald faced lie because of concern over their owner personal political fortunes, to continue to do it as the bodies of the victims are being off-loaded right in front of both of them, and continue to do it afterwards, is just about the most disgusting behavior imaginable.

The 'pubs playing it for politics was the most disgusting behavior imaginable, anything on the admin doesn't compare.
And yet, this still doesn't make the GWD an acceptable alternative.

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Boreas 06-29-2016 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 321372)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...628-story.html

The administration looked for an official to go on the Sunday morning talk shows Sept. 16. Ben Rhodes, President Barack Obama's deputy national security adviser, sent a request to Clinton but never heard back. The thankless job fell to Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N. Rice had little knowledge of the events. She relied in part on background information from Rhodes.

Here the report gets at the politics of Benghazi, because it shows that among Rhodes' talking points to Rice was this specific goal to communicate to the viewing public: "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."


In other words: In mid-September 2012, in the wake of a terrorist attack in Libya, with Obama up for re-election in two months and Clinton's own presidential aspirations at risk, the White House sent a lesser representative (Rice) in front of the cameras. Armed with bad information, she insisted that four Americans died as the result of a spontaneous protest — not because of Washington's failure to anticipate a terrorist attack on an isolated U.S. compound in unstable Libya on the anniversary of 9/11.

According to the report, several Libya experts at State flipped out when they heard Rice peddling the demonstration story. "Off the reservation on five networks!" wrote one. "WH (White House) very worried about the politics. This was all their doing," wrote another.

Obama, too, went uncorrected publicly by Clinton when, in several public appearances, he conflated Arab world protests about the video with the terrorist attack in Benghazi. In a Sept. 25 speech at the U.N., Obama cited the video six times.


In my opinion, Gowdy and company soft-pedaled this "lapse". They simply presented these facts as they occurred. First, when it was time to face the media, Clinton we're told, wasn't available when the White House Staff (Rhodes) was calling to coordinate a response. So, the gang that couldn't shoot straight brought out a "lesser representative": Rice.

The fact indicate that the State Dept knew early on that this wasn't a spontaneous uprising in reaction to a video: "still in the early hours of the activity" they knew. The YouTube video narrative appears to have come from Ben Rhodes, who gave it to Susan Rice because the White House wanted to "underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."

Rice, armed with the video story fiction, spread it all over the media in Sunday morning. I remember watching it, and at the time I was thinking that her story was not at all credible, and wondering why in the hell there were riots going on over a YouTube video that no one had ever hear of before.

We're asked to believe that this was all a great big misunderstanding or miscommunication. Some less than discriminating folks here apparently apparently subscribe to that notion as well:



Yet, this "little misunderstanding" continued long after. Obama spewed the fiction all over the UN over a week later. The State Dept KNEW it was BS. Obama and Hillary appeared together and lied to the families about the attack being about a video as the bodies of the victims arrived back in the US:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSooz2wXpes

Why? It can only be concluded that there was a decision to pedal a lie for political expediency. Rhodes didn't work for Clinton. He worked at the White House. Clinton worked for Obama. Obama would have been fully briefed by the State Dept - Clinton and staff - about what happened in Benghazi, probably almost in real time assuming he answered the phone.

For Obama and Clinton to be willing to pedal such a bald faced lie because of concern over their owner personal political fortunes, to continue to do it as the bodies of the victims are being off-loaded right in front of both of them, and continue to do it afterwards, is just about the most disgusting behavior imaginable.

An editorial in a conservative newspaper, full of speculation and unfounded speculation.

whell 06-29-2016 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 321375)
An editorial in a conservative newspaper, full of speculation and unfounded speculation.

Chicago Trib conservative? The same Trib that endorsed Obama twice?

Unfounded speculation? Keep living your lie, pimple.

donquixote99 06-29-2016 10:04 PM

Pio said it right.

Boreas 06-29-2016 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 321376)
Chicago Trib conservative? The same Trib that endorsed Obama twice?

Unfounded speculation? Keep living your lie, pimple.


Quote:

The Chicago Tribune believes in the traditional principles of limited government; maximum individual responsibility; minimum restriction of personal liberty, opportunity and enterprise. It believes in free markets, free will and freedom of expression. These principles, while traditionally conservative, are guidelines and not reflexive dogmas.

The Tribune brings a Midwestern sensibility to public debate. It is suspicious of untested ideas.

The Tribune places great emphasis on the integrity of government and the private institutions that play a significant role in society. The newspaper does this in the belief that the people cannot consent to be governed unless they have knowledge of, and faith in, the leaders and operations of government. The Tribune embraces the diversity of people and perspectives in its community. It is dedicated to the future of the Chicago region.
Self-described conservative at that.

JJIII 06-30-2016 05:20 AM

I describe myself as young, strong, and handsome. :D

sheltiedave 06-30-2016 06:00 AM

So Whell, if this was a result of Clinton/Obama's failed Arab policy in Libya, what policy should we have followed?

Should we have left Quadahfi in power? Should we have installed a puppet? Or was the failed "policy" the fact that we didn't have 100 special forces on the ground, along with ten tanks, five Blackhawks, eight Warthogs, a refueling plane, and a carrier group camped in the eastern Med to support the mission?

You do realize the only thing that would have saved the Ambassador would be having multiple airborne assets available to mow the grass for half an hour, don't you?

ZeroJunk 06-30-2016 06:26 AM

I know you didn't ask me, but Bush's moronic removal of Saddam caused the death and suffering of millions of people more than Saddam's dictatorship.

Then damn if Obama with Hillary didn't do the same thing in Libya and tried in Syria.

And, that has caused the death, mass migration, and suffering of millions more.

bobabode 06-30-2016 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 321385)
I know you didn't ask me, but Bush's moronic removal of Saddam caused the death and suffering of millions of people more than Saddam's dictatorship.

Then damn if Obama with Hillary didn't do the same thing in Libya and tried in Syria.

And, that has caused the death, mass migration, and suffering of millions more.

Yeah, right.

Like Libya and Syria were fat and happy stable regimes at the time. :rolleyes:

noonereal 06-30-2016 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 321383)
I describe myself as young, strong, and handsome. :D

put down the bottle man!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/12058895_f520.jpg

and get away from the mirror.

:p:D

JJIII 06-30-2016 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 321393)
put down the bottle man!!!!!!!!!!!!


and get away from the mirror.

:p:D

Lol! :D

..

ZeroJunk 06-30-2016 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 321390)
Yeah, right.

Like Libya and Syria were fat and happy stable regimes at the time. :rolleyes:

Better than they are now. Rolleyes and all that.

Boreas 06-30-2016 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 321435)
Better than they are now. Rolleyes and all that.

In both countries the rulers of those countries began a war against his own people. Do you really think things would have turned out well If only we hadn't intervened.

bobabode 06-30-2016 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 321435)
Better than they are now. Rolleyes and all that.

Nice to see you prefer the Butcher of Lockerbie. :p

ZeroJunk 06-30-2016 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 321437)
In both countries the rulers of those countries began a war against his own people. Do you really think things would have turned out well If only we hadn't intervened.

I think their would be hundreds of thousands fewer dead people and millions of fewer refugees.

finnbow 06-30-2016 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 321444)
I think their would be hundreds of thousands fewer dead people and millions of fewer refugees.

The whole unraveling of the Mideast started with yer boy Dubya and his henchmen.

ZeroJunk 06-30-2016 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 321443)
Nice to see you prefer the Butcher of Lockerbie. :p

Yeah, he may or may not have given the order. So, let's create ISIS.
Tongue hanging out and all that.

ZeroJunk 06-30-2016 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 321445)
The whole unraveling of the Mideast started with yer boy Dubya and his henchmen.

I agree 100% .

ZeroJunk 06-30-2016 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 321445)
The whole unraveling of the Mideast started with yer boy Dubya and his henchmen.

BTW he is not my boy. I am not a political zombie with blinders on like some on this forum.

Boreas 06-30-2016 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 321444)
I think their would be hundreds of thousands fewer dead people and millions of fewer refugees.

Explain why you believe that.


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