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whell 06-24-2016 03:00 PM

What's She Hiding Now?
 
An Associated Press review of the official calendar Hillary Clinton kept as secretary of state identified at least 75 meetings with longtime political donors, Clinton Foundation contributors and corporate and other outside interests that were not recorded or omitted the names of those she met.


In one key omission, Clinton's State Department calendar dropped the identities of a dozen major Wall Street and business leaders who met with her during a private breakfast discussion at the New York Stock Exchange in September 2009, The meeting occurred minutes before Clinton appeared in public at the exchange to ring the market's ceremonial opening bell.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...#storylink=cpy

Why go through so much trouble, and do it in such a ham-handed manner, to hide what we already know? That Hillary is good friends with Wall Street, Banking and other big business deep pocket types is no secret. This has to be about more than keeping up appearances for those on her left flank.

Hmmmm.... Wonder how many of those meetings - which apparently occurred "on company time and on on company premises" - were about fund - raising?

icenine 06-24-2016 03:10 PM

Last I checked she didn't put lead in a city's water supply.

Boreas 06-24-2016 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 320533)
Last I checked she didn't put lead in a city's water supply.

The list of things she didn't do is as long as you care to make it but the list of things she did do is long enough to give anyone pause.

icenine 06-24-2016 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 320534)
The list of things she didn't do is as long as you care to make it but the list of things she did do is long enough to give anyone pause.

Ok spell them out

make a list

I didn't take you to be a Ken Starr fan.

icenine 06-24-2016 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 320531)
An Associated Press review of the official calendar Hillary Clinton kept as secretary of state identified at least 75 meetings with longtime political donors, Clinton Foundation contributors and corporate and other outside interests that were not recorded or omitted the names of those she met.


In one key omission, Clinton's State Department calendar dropped the identities of a dozen major Wall Street and business leaders who met with her during a private breakfast discussion at the New York Stock Exchange in September 2009, The meeting occurred minutes before Clinton appeared in public at the exchange to ring the market's ceremonial opening bell.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...#storylink=cpy

Why go through so much trouble, and do it in such a ham-handed manner, to hide what we already know? That Hillary is good friends with Wall Street, Banking and other big business deep pocket types is no secret. This has to be about more than keeping up appearances for those on her left flank.

Hmmmm.... Wonder how many of those meetings - which apparently occurred "on company time and on on company premises" - were about fund - raising?

Do you ever think that normal people work on Wall Street too? I mean their might be an HR guy like you in the basement making 80k a year and barely getting by in highly expensive NYC?

NO shit Sherlock. Like male politicians don't meet with all fucking manner of donors and political insiders.

Boreas 06-24-2016 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 320536)
Ok spell them out

make a list

I didn't take you to be a Ken Starr fan.

None of those. And the ones she's guilty of have been adequately discussed here. I don't see the need to rehash any of them.

icenine 06-24-2016 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 320541)
None of those. And the ones she's guilty of have been adequately discussed here. I don't see the need to rehash any of them.

Because you can't.

barbara 06-24-2016 03:48 PM

And here's the thing..... You can find a skeleton in anyone's closet if you look hard enough. And we all know there are those that look as hard as they can to find something on Hilary.

I just think that as politically savvy as she is, and knowing that she would be running for president, she would have gone out of her way to cross all of her T's and dot all her I's.

Her opponents have been looking for years to pin a scandal on her and haven't really come up with anything.

Boreas 06-24-2016 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 320543)
Because you can't.

Have it your way, Robbin. The list wouldn't include anything you haven't heard already so listing them all over again wouldn't make a dent in your armor.

bobabode 06-24-2016 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbara (Post 320544)
And here's the thing..... You can find a skeleton in anyone's closet if you look hard enough. And we all know there are those that look as hard as they can to find something on Hilary.

I just think that as politically savvy as she is, and knowing that she would be running for president, she would have gone out of her way to cross all of her T's and dot all her I's.

Her opponents have been looking for years to pin a scandal on her and haven't really come up with anything.

Yep, what I find disturbing this time is that many on the left are buying into so many of these rightwing tropes.

whell 06-24-2016 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 320533)
Last I checked she didn't put lead in a city's water supply.

That's not even a remotely skilled effort at deflection. I can't even give you a "nice try" for that one. :rolleyes:

whell 06-24-2016 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 320539)
NO shit Sherlock. Like male politicians don't meet with all fucking manner of donors and political insiders.

But even you, Holmes, must realize that doing so in the course of government business or using government facilities might present a wee bit of an issue.

whell 06-24-2016 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbara (Post 320544)
And here's the thing..... You can find a skeleton in anyone's closet if you look hard enough.

In Hillary's case you'd at least find an email server that she shouldn't have been using. In her case, you'd probably find not just a skeleton but the whole graveyard.

icenine 06-24-2016 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 320548)
But even you, Holmes, must realize that doing so in the course of government business or using government facilities might present a wee bit of an issue.

Congress people do it every day. The reason votes take place in the evening is that they are on the phone during the day asking for money from their supporters and wealthy constituents. One of the offsets after the demise of earmarks.

Besides Secretary of State is probably not defined by an 8 hour shift.
If it is salaried she may have had no set hours to account for; she could probably determine herself which hours were work and which were not.

bobabode 06-24-2016 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 320549)
In Hillary's case you'd at least find an email server that she shouldn't have been using. In her case, you'd probably find not just a skeleton but the whole graveyard.

If emailgate is the best you have, she's a shoo in come November. :cool:

At least you'll always have BENGHAAAAAAAAZI!! to fall back on. :rolleyes:

icenine 06-24-2016 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 320545)
Have it your way, Robbin. The list wouldn't include anything you haven't heard already so listing them all over again wouldn't make a dent in your armor.

Yes I will have it my way, thank you very much.

Dondilion 06-24-2016 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 320546)
Yep, what I find disturbing this time is that many on the left are buying into so many of these rightwing tropes.

No. The lady is projecting/selling it with her $12,000 top.

bobabode 06-24-2016 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 320561)
No. The lady is projecting/selling it with her $12,000 top.

So, you don't like her clothes...:rolleyes: You expected sack cloth and ashes?

Sounds like you've got a bad case of Hillary Derangement Syndrome, Dondi.
Relax tovarich, it will only last for eight years or so. Then we're going to elect a Mexican-American president. :cool:

Someday we'll even put a Russkie/American in the White House.:eek:

Tom Joad 06-24-2016 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 320539)
I mean their might be an HR guy like you in the basement making 80k a year and barely getting by in highly expensive NYC?

Yeah and he's not the Dude that's making those six figure contributions to her Super Pac in exchange for favors. :rolleyes:

Boreas 06-24-2016 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 320563)
So, you don't like her clothes...:rolleyes: You expected sack cloth and ashes?

Sounds like you've got a bad case of Hillary Derangement Syndrome, Dondi.
Relax tovarich, it will only last for eight years or so. Then we're going to elect a Mexican-American president. :cool:

Someday we'll even put a Russkie/American in the White House.:eek:

What she needs is a respectable Republican cloth coat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhQD2UFCIbY

donquixote99 06-24-2016 06:38 PM

She could never never wear fur or leather after that, even if she wanted to.

whell 06-24-2016 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 320553)
Congress people do it every day. The reason votes take place in the evening is that they are on the phone during the day asking for money from their supporters and wealthy constituents. One of the offsets after the demise of earmarks.

Besides Secretary of State is probably not defined by an 8 hour shift.
If it is salaried she may have had no set hours to account for; she could probably determine herself which hours were work and which were not.

Really? Congress folks are on the phone asking for contributions in return for political donations to their privately run "charitable" organizations? A charitable organization that appears to operate as a private slush fund? Hmm...do tell. Who are the congress people that are doing this every day? Who are the congress people that falsify their public records to hide participants at these meetings?

Boreas 06-24-2016 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 320553)
Congress people do it every day.

No, they don't. Under Title 18 of the US Code, Section 607 it's illegal for members of Congress or the executive branch to fundraise on government property.

bobabode 06-24-2016 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 320582)
No, they don't. Under Title 18 of the US Code, Section 607 it's illegal for members of Congress or the executive branch to fundraise on government property.

They have call centers right within walking distance the Capitol Bldg. for that.

Boreas 06-24-2016 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 320586)
They have call centers right within walking distance the Capitol Bldg. for that.

I know that but the fact remains that what Robbin said is incorrect.

bobabode 06-24-2016 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 320587)
I know that but the fact remains that what Robbin said is incorrect.

Where did he say that they did it from their offices?

Boreas 06-24-2016 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 320588)
Where did he say that they did it from their offices?

http://politicalchat.org/showpost.ph...3&postcount=14

bobabode 06-24-2016 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 320590)

You're mistaken, John. It was Whell who brought that into the conversation.
Read your own link.

Boreas 06-24-2016 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 320591)
You're mistaken, John. It was Whell who brought that into the conversation.
Read your own link.

Read Robbin's response, ie: "Congress people do it every day." Any Congressperson who "does it every day" is breaking the law.

Whell brought it into the conversation by saying that it might be a problem if Congresspeople "conducted business" from their offices. Robbin disagreed. That makes him wrong.

bobabode 06-24-2016 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 320594)
Read Robbin's response, ie: "Congress people do it every day." Any Congressperson who "does it every day" is breaking the law.

Whell brought it into the conversation by saying that it might be a problem if Congresspeople "conducted business" from their offices. Robbin disagreed. That makes him wrong.

That's really reaching, John. Good luck with that Whellian bit of tortured logic.

finnbow 06-24-2016 08:54 PM

A Secretary of State has plenty of business to discuss with American business leaders in terms of trade policy, etc. As a GS-15 manager at three Federal agency headquarters, I met with industry and labor leaders all the time and served on a number of national consensus standards committees with industry and labor counterparts. I also spoke at any number of national conventions and conferences sponsored by industry and labor. I couldn't have done my job otherwise. I don't see what the big deal is.

Boreas 06-24-2016 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 320597)
That's really reaching, John. Good luck with that Whellian bit of tortured logic.

It's perfectly straightforward. I'm amazed that you don't get it.

Boreas 06-24-2016 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 320600)
A Secretary of State has plenty of business to discuss with American business leaders in terms of trade policy, etc. As a GS-15 manager at three Federal agency headquarters, I met with industry and labor leaders all the time and served on a number of national consensus standards committees with industry and labor counterparts. I also spoke at any number of national conventions and conferences sponsored by industry and labor. I couldn't have done my job otherwise. I don't see what the big deal is.

None beyond the troublesome fact that it's quite possibly a violation of the aforementioned section of the US Code and possibly the Hatch Act as well. It's different for civil servants such as you were.

icenine 06-24-2016 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 320594)
Read Robbin's response, ie: "Congress people do it every day." Any Congressperson who "does it every day" is breaking the law.

Whell brought it into the conversation by saying that it might be a problem if Congresspeople "conducted business" from their offices. Robbin disagreed. That makes him wrong.

I am not making this stuff up. It does not matter where they call from does it?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minut...telemarketers/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2427291.html

My point is Whell is holding Hillary to a double standard.

icenine 06-24-2016 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 320578)
Really? Congress folks are on the phone asking for contributions in return for political donations to their privately run "charitable" organizations? A charitable organization that appears to operate as a private slush fund? Hmm...do tell. Who are the congress people that are doing this every day? Who are the congress people that falsify their public records to hide participants at these meetings?

Boy talk about innuendo. You would have made a great Dick Nixon speech writer/campaign dirty tricks impresario...

Boreas 06-24-2016 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 320604)
I am not making this stuff up. It does not matter where they call from does it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2427291.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2427291.html

My point is Whell is holding Hillary to a double standard.

Yes, it does. And whell was merely holding Hillary to the same standard as other government officials, Something Hillary has a hard time doing, as in the case of her use of a private server for her email in violation of State Dept. rules.

icenine 06-24-2016 09:16 PM

Here is a quote from one of Whell's GOP buddies in the House:

From the 60 Minutes segment:

Rep. David Jolly: The House schedule is actually arranged, in some ways, around fundraising.

Norah O'Donnell: You're telling me the whole schedule of how work gets done is scheduled around fundraising?

Rep. David Jolly: That's right. You never see a committee working through lunch because those are your fundraising times. And then in between afternoon votes and evening votes, that's when you can see Democrats walking down this street, Republicans walking down that street to spend time on the phone making phone calls.


And your giving Hillary crap about meeting some people on Wall Street.
Apologize to Hillary Whell.....

icenine 06-24-2016 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 320606)
Yes, it does. And whell was merely holding Hillary to the same standard as other government officials, Something Hillary has a hard time doing, as in the case of her use of a private server for her email in violation of State Dept. rules.

Do you realize John that you and Whell are actually in agreement on an issue?
That is bigger than the Brexit.....;)

Boreas 06-24-2016 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 320608)
Do you realize John that you and Whell are actually in agreement on an issue?
That is bigger than the Brexit.....;)

About an isolated fact. Nothing more.

JJIII 06-25-2016 06:58 AM

There seems to be an awful lot of "But Mom, everybody is doing it" around here.


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