Well, it's done
 

To bad they didn't go with the German system. Tomorrow I'm going to get a quote for insurance. Then after 3 or 4 years I'm going to get another. Should be interesting to see the difference.

From each, according to his abilities, to each, according to his needs.

I would recommend consulting the guidelines set forth by the Department of Abilities and Needs as to determine your classification.

Chas

I really have to laugh, even E.J.Dionne, the Post's token liberal has been brainwashed into believing Canada's Single Payer is socialism. I never met a doctor up there who was not in private practice. They go through internship same as here, is that socialist?

You can buy private insurance if you are stupid enough. Dentists and Opthalologists are not covered, Bell covered me for that. Just look at the stats for Canadians health relative to the rest of the world. But boy oh boy, when Hannity, Rove, Palin et al start yelling everyone believes the bull shit. Oh a spoon ful of sugar makes . . .

$88,000 a year is the key they claim.

Those who make over $88,000 a year will see healthcare costs go up, those making less than $88,000 a yera will see their health insurance go down. This for people who purchase health insurance independently.

Those who receive health insurance through there job should see no change.

This means people like members of congress and corporate executives who make far in excess of $88,000 will be spared any rate increasing as they have Cadillac health plans through there jobs while modestly successful folks who work for themselves and pay double SS will now experience an increase in heath care costs. So if you currently pay $1,200 a month in premiums for an adult and child catastrophic health insurance policy it will go up if you make $90,000 a year.
Amazing.
So if you cannot afford $1,200 a month the IRS will collect 15% of your income as a penalty ($13,000) a year and you still will have no health insurance.
The good part is that if you have a preexistent condition you can still get health coverage! The bad part is it can cost you $2,400 or more a month. So I hope no one has hypertension or a headache or stubbed toe that was mentioned to their doctor.

I am fucked...

We all are...

Not really.

Quit your job. Get welfare and food stamps and all will be provided.

Its the new America.

I am sorry rick but that is an asinine statement.

Sarah would be proud however.

Why do you/people post such trash?

Honest?

What doe sit do?

My backs been ruined for years.

This week I'll be starting yet another job for a very bright, very well connected, and very conservative attorney.

Would I be wise to inquire about a package deal for SSI disability, a divorce, and a personal bankruptcy?

Come to think of it, I need to be in debt to declare bankruptcy. Time to return to my old bank, the one which stole several hundred dollars out of my account every year. I'm sure those grinning bastards will be more than happy to welcome back into the fold.

Hell, I'll even let them stroke me on the interest, since I won't be paying them back in the first place.

Just kidding, as I'm sure you all are aware of. Besides, if this all works out, I'll be running for political office.

Chas

Why do you post the crap you do?
More than 50% of Americans did not want this. In a true democracy it would not have happened. BTW, Why do you have such a crush on Sarah Palin anyway? She is nothing to me.

It makes sense to me.

The government does not produce wealth, they redistribute wealth. If everyone has their mouth planted firmly on the public tit, who, pray tell, will pay for it? Who will create the pork and beans?

I'm sure that even the Keynesians realize that you can only create so much fiat currency before there is a day of reckoning.

Chas

We've already proven that this isn't a true democracy, GWB got elected, right?

Chas that is not what his post is about, I quote. "Quit your job. Get welfare and food stamps and all will be provided."

That is bull shit, nonsense and offensive.

His statement just fosters an inaccurate sentiment among many in this country and it needs to be called out for the trash it is. It's nothing more than a dishonest Rush line.

I do apologize for my more dismissive and less tolerant posts last night and today but having watched the folks on the right (and the left as well) blatantly lie and knowing that knuckle heads believe these lies has left to very frustrated.

This country is a nursery for legalized theft that we call capitalism/corporatism and neither side is willing to be honest about this.

Can't dispute that.

Then why do appear to parrot her?

Coincidence I guess.

Becoming more like a Democracy and less like a Constitutional Republic every day.

Chas

Funny thing about you hardcore leftys on this site. You spout a party line and when someone disagrees with you you point little fingers and call people names. You're like naughty children.

Go ahead mean boy call me a righty corporate pig or whatever stokes your coals.

Point still remains the steaming pile they just dumped off on the American people is just that.

No substantive reply again?

BTW, this "hard core lefty" voted for way more republicans than Democratics over the years. It was not until the party was hijacked by idiocy (baby Bush) that I first cast a presidential vote for someone from the left. If you are happy with this "fools on parade" party as it has become, god bless.

By the way reread your post. Your post was not about the steaming pile they just dumped off on the American people, on that we agree. Your post as I point out above is about a ridiculous invalid stereotype of social assistance. Why can't you distinguish?

I vote independent as my Sig says. What did you want answered? The crap about trashy women? Pelosi should get you reall hot then as she aint nuthin but trash.

As for the "social assistance" part,Sarcasm is a bad habit I have. Seems its much better tolerated when it comes from the left around here.

My question was simple, why do so many as you did distort the nature of social assistance for the needy in this country? You brought this up in post 7. I impolitely asked you for clarification in post 8.

Chas, you better have good health insurance for the lobotomy you'll need to serve in politics.

as well you should

i don't know how an honest guy will fit in though

Well you got your answer then. Sarcasm is what it is. Maybe a little bitterness as well.

Lmao it's killing me!

Great dental too. But swing SSI if you can, it's more money and only the stigma of being, um, dumb, disabled or hopelessly drug addicted (the 3 d's of success!) vs unwilling to work. You can even get raises by having kids and teaching them to be dumb too.

PS - I know it's a generalization, but valid.

Rotf!!

Post of the day! We should send this to every Congressperson we can!!

Pete

BTW New Jersey is about to kick all childless adults off welfare.

Pete

I bet there's a lot of procreating going on there now.:cool:

I hope they enjoy the crime wave that will follow

NJ is just the tip of the iceberg, budget disasters are about to hit many states including Ohio. I'll start a thread. [/theadjack]

Pete

Lobotomy???

I don't need no steekin" lobotomy!!! I'm from Missouri!!!

Chas

You do if you plan on spending any time in Michigan.

mitt romney invented 'obama care'. just heard it (again) on msnbc, must be true.

they say that'll cause romney some problems if he continues in politics. (no shit)

Reckon if we put our heads together that we could come up with three brain cells between us?

Chas

The US is finally moving into the 20th Century. An imperfect and cumbersome start to a better healthcare system, but it is certainly better than nothing.

Bullshit

Fining me 12 grand for not being able to afford insurance and then forcing me to pony up another several thousand for a gooberment run policy is not what I call imperfect. Its down right mean, stupid and irresponsible not to mention asinine !

This sets up a VERY bad precedent, IMHO, too. If the Gummint can COMPEL us to buy something-or even FORCE us to do something when we're not harming anyone else, why stop w/just this ?

aren't you already compelled to buy auto insurance?

Pay taxes?

My guess is that the healthcare companies have been looking for a handout after their little brother the pharmaceutical companies was handed a giant windfall by Bush.

Now they both are happy, what's the problem?

You have a choice of driving or not. Don't drive = don't buy insurance.

Taxes are a bit harder. Try the FairTax. You can cut way down.

Don't wanna buy the health insurance? Move out of the country or die. Not very attractive choices IMO.

:)

Driving is not a hobby as this statement makes it sound.