vote here on health care
 

Does it pass=yes

Does it fail=no

I say yes, it passes.


What say you all?

Pass. Unfreakin' fortunately...

+1

We need a national health plan that puts society first not this fiasco.

+1 to Noon's vote and his sentiment.

I say it will pass, and in terms of the big picture, the greater good is served by it's passage. If this does not pass, the hate-mongers are going to feel empowered by their success, and we can expect more of the same. If it passes over their objection, they might at least have to rethink their strategy.

I agree with Noone and Finn that the bill is flawed. I hope that the administration and the legislators will also learn from this experience. The reason it is flawed is a failed effort at bipartisanship. Many of the flaws result from the goodies thrown in at the request of the GOP, yet the bill will fail to attract a single GOP vote. I say from now on FFF . .orget them. Craft legislation that will appeal to enough to get a majority and make them actually fillibuster, rather than spoil the bill with a threat of fillibuster.

Regards,

D-Ray

Reading the news today it sounds like it will pass. I think it's a good thing. It's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction. There will be more steps.

I will wait and see, but like Rapid Edward I hope it does and that the reform part passes immediately afterward. Then next year we can go after the drug companies.

In this morning's Post, Pfizer's lawyers were settling with the government for recommending to doctors that they use a drug FDA approved for treatment of epilepsy for other ailments for which it was not approved, they promised never to do it again. Meanwhile they were pulling the same stunt with another of their drugs. Hypocritical bastards, take them all out behind the barn and put them out of therir misery.

I would lay odds that were stuck with this POC bill in its current form for way beyond my kids lifetime.

I could not disagree more strongly that its a step in the right direction.

Well, the Republicans are throwing everything including the sink at the procedure, but I think they are spinning their wheels. How many law suits will be filed tomorrow? I know that many are already done and waiting to be filed.

It's over, Stupek folded. He's going to trust Barry to handle it.:p

Now it's time to get down to business, Stupek is up for re-election this year. I wonder how that will work out.:D

It will pass and it has to pass. DeMint was right. If the Republicans can kill health care Obama is finished. More importantly, real health care reform is dead for a generation.

This is war now, thanks to the Republicans. The Democrats have to win this fight. It's too bad they took so long to realize this and produced a bill aimed at bipartisan support when none was ever possible.

John

That post is absolutely ridiculous. You are either terribly uninformed, mentally challenged, or trolling.

what do you mean double dog?

Why, thank you! You've just confirmed what I said. This is war and your latest avatar makes you look very much like my enemy.

John

It takes two to tango, John. No more the Republicans fault than the Democrats.

Chas

Anybody watching the debate on CSPAN? If I hear one more sob story about someone with cancer from the dibs, I'm gonna lose my dinner. Last hope is the motion to recommit.

If I see one more teabagger who has no clue that he could very easily be in the same position as the 20,000,000 Americans who have no health insurance (through no fault of their own) or have no idea that they could so easily be bankrupted because of a healthcare system that is adversarial I will lose my temper. Last hope is that these teabaggers will realize that these things do not always happen to the other guy and that they are ignorant pawns of the wealth greedy right.

Now what?

The bill that the House is now voting on incorporates over 200 amendments offered by the Republicans. Will it get a single Republican vote? Not a freakin' chance.

The bill will pass without the Republican support those amendments were designed to earn. The Democrat's mistake was in incorporating changes that worsened the bill in the hope of achieving bipartisanship.

John

Ah, yes! Compassionate conservatism!

John

AND IF THESE TEAbaggers realized the real price of healthcare if they had to pay it themselves and not in a group most this "screw the unfortunate" crap would go away.

Teabaggers are folks who can't see the forest through the trees and use self reliance as an ego massaging tool to self mask greed.

And this bill has addressed the bankruptcy problem?

Chas

This bill is garbage, garbage!

Every dem is phony, every republican is a dirt bag.

This whole thing is very unsettling.

Now the GOP is dragging in the emotion of abortion?

Is there no honest person anywhere in DC?

I am generously angry with my government and representatives. Anyone else feel this way?

Honest, this is just an insane way to govern.

Phony and greedy, that's all I see.

"baby killer" some idiot that we vote for yells

this is a healthcare bill

what a zoo, what an embarrassment

My 16 year old son got off work at 1pm today do to heavy rain outdoors in the tree nursery 30 miles away. We watched c-span from the time he came home, till a few minutes ago. We just turn it off for that very reason. I have a medical condition myself that took me out of the work force, and I had to sell my logging equipment, my farm tractor, and a car that I said I'd never sell .. just to pay bills to survive no longer having a real job. We receive no help from the government ( though I should since I paid into the system my whole life, but I think of how the system was put in place for the true elderly and how only those with a work history that were born here have to fight for their benefits ). I have a sob story and farm at risk too .. and I still do not support this bill. I wonder if this passes ( and it probly will ), how long before they give amnesty to all the illegals again? Long as they keep allowing it, folks'll keep coming & spittin' out babies on US soil, and those who are American that have never hit a lick in their lives will continue to live off of the money that those of us with a long work history bled out our asses for. It must be nice to come here and receive help while we Americans have to fight like hell for 2-3 years with the help of a lawyer to get help after paying into the system our whole lives. I live without, mainly because I have a work history and they figure if I'm put off a few years by having to fight for it, that I'll be forced to fuck up and dis-qualify myself by doing something to earn money to save my farm while waiting for them to serve the lazy asses first. They figured right, but I don't earn much if anything without being able to work a public job. Most weeks, I don't earn enough from home to put gas in the truck just to get the kids from school. The government knows folks like us will try everything to save our place, incuding having to plan out our meals since we have a work history. I miss being able to work, I really do, but I don't miss paying taxes since I learned that the government figured since I had a work history that my tax dollars are more important to those who never paid in. I've decided that I'll go out old fashoned, most likely, I'll die at home rather than taking food off the table fucking with doctors ever again. Don't reckon I can be forced to see anymore doctors. If they feel they can force me to see a doctor, then I guess they'll just have to shoot me because even if I was to end up bed ridden, they'll have to kill me before they haul my ass to a hosp where it costs a fortune to die. A person can suffer it out until he dies at home for free .. so I told my family they won't be having to pay for me to lay up in a hosp when the day comes. I'm a broke bastard, but I no longer owe the doctors a damn thing ... and gonna keep it that way for my wife's sake.

Diogenes had best take plenty of Coleman fuel if he ever goes to DC.

Chas

I've seen this happen over and over to people. The government doesn't have much of a safety net for people who have a work history.

And I'm with you on dying in a hospital. I'd rather die impaled by a steering column, as distasteful as I find the notion.

Chas

Say what you will about the bill but you have to hand it to Nancy Pelosi. She got it done. She has proven herself to be a really effective Speaker. perhaps the most effective since Tip O'Neill.

John

A couple things strike me about your post

1) why are you confusing the issue by dragging in the immigration problem?

2) if you are unable to work and paid SS all those years that you worked why would you not apply for disability benefits? You paid you premium (taxes) didn't you????

3) how does not acquiring medical bills help your wife? Isn't your survival of value?

4) how did the government figure that your tax dollars are more important to those who never paid in?

5) I have got to wonder how fair you are being to your family by not accepting benefits that you are entitled to.

So does the devil, every day.

He did, they stole his lamp.:rolleyes: