Opinion New York’s primary is ‘closed shut’ by insane registration rules
 

IMO anything other than an open primary with same day registration is voter disenfranchisement.


http://nypost.com/2016/04/18/new-yor...tration-rules/

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It is a little too late to whine about party rules in New York.

The Post is a Trump rag from what I hear.

Here is what the Huffington Post puts at the bottom of every story about Trump I quote:


"Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S."

What I'm getting is that rules and regulations put into law by the two corporate political parties to keep voters from voting and to keep third party candidates from running are pretty much OK with everyone as long as it benefits their candidate.

Our country is fucked. We may as well have a dictator.

So instead of complaining, people should do something about it. Problem is.... It is never a problem until the wrong guy is winning.

Legislation does not happen in a vacuum. People can influence legislation if they put forth the effort.

I disagree. Every time I contact my representatives all I get back are canned responses that basically tell me they will do what they want regardless of what I think. That's how elected representatives of the corporate parties think. That they've been elected to further party interests, not to represent the people. And people like us who do care? We're in the paltry minority. There's not enough of us to make a difference. Most folks don't care, they are too feckless to even notice the corruption.

Call it whining if that's what helps you sleep at night.

I call it informing the public of how our electoral system is rigged.


So what?

This article is dead to rights about the Soviet Style New York Primary rules.

I don't really give-a-fuck.

Both of these corrupt parties need to be gutted like fish.

If it takes a Trump Presidency to do it, then so be it.

I agree with you entirely. But possibly in this election cycle, establishment candidates (Jeb! & Hillary->) are both getting a run for their money. Enter Trump and Sanders, the establishment is getting rocked and all of the duopoly electioneering is being exposed. Instead of commenting on the unfairness of the process, the usual culprits here go to their fall back 'should have known better' position. Guess one can make excuses for any democratic process as long as it is not impacting your horse adversely in the race. Let's all take a look at Brazil for a look into the future.

Good luck Hillary 'Dilma' Clinton today, not that you will need it. It's already been pre-paid.

New York has 11.5 million registered voters.

27 percent of them are shut out of this primary election.

That's over 3 million voters.

Shut out because of petty arbitrary rules.

There is no way to justify that.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-trump/478872/

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…", Attributed to Churchill.

Works better if only we could practice it.

If you get canned responses from your politicians when you want to have a voice..... Then you are doing it wrong.

You have to be ahead of the game and help craft the legislation.

Being a part of a bigger 'voice' helps.

You hear that Potter?

You're doing it wrong.

If you want to influence legislation you have to do it the right way.

By making a six or seven figure contribution to a Super Pac.

What a putz you are.

I'll bet you have never been involved in the legislative process..... Yet, the first to complain.

I'll bet you don't even have a clue how to involve yourself in the legislative process.

Lobbyists do that and get paid handsomely doing it.

Of course not.

I don't have enough money to buy into the game.

Oh boo hoo.... A big strong man like yourself can't figure out how to influence legislation and this (gasp!) woman has been involved for years.

You are clueless.

I don't have a lot of money and I am involved in the legislative process on an ongoing basis with an advocacy group made up of others just like me who have no money.

Over the years we have had successes on the local and state, and occasionally federal level.

It's a whole lot better than sitting around complaining and acting like there is nothing you can do about it.

Anybody can help craft legislation once they know how. Don't have to be a lobbyist.

You're naive as Hell.

You have had absolutely no influence on any legislation that really matters.

All significant legislation is written by lobbyists.

What did they let you do?

Choose the design of the new Kiosk at your neighborhood park?

Pick what kind of wildflowers to plant on the right of way?

ROFL.

That is exactly the kind of response expected from one so clueless.

I worked for State Government for over 30 years.

I've seen what kind of "input" the General Public has. :rolleyes:

Opinion New York’s primary is ‘closed shut’ by insane registration rules
 

Too bad you are so clueless or you might have seen more.

It's much harder to see how to be a part of the solution when you are busy complaining.

I've worked for gov for many years also. Interesting that I found a way to reach legislative goals and you couldn't.

Thank you for your input. ;)

You are welcome.
Now get to work writing that next big piece of legislation!! 😉

This is the way I see it. It's possible that a single person or even a citizen group can try and help with legislation. But it's a full time job, I have a family member who I am very close to doing it in DC for the tech secctor. Who can afford to do this full time voluntarily, or better yet if you can be paid handsomely for it. No one walks away from easy money. Once one can game the system at the federal level, who cares what happens at the state and local level? How do you think Debbie 'What's her name' gamed the primary process for your hero Hillary?

Just one example to wake you up from your dream world.
When Lobbyists Literally Write The Bill

When Lobbyists Literally Write The Bill

Aren't we all happy for Bush and Obama for bailing out the big banks?

It is a primary set up by both political parties NOT a general election so the primary rules are set by those who think said rules will benefit their respective candidates the best.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

I'm not denying that big bucks and lobbyists have legislative power.

But too many underestimate the legislative power of the average citizen.

You are right that it can be a full time job.

By the way.... I never stated Hilary is my hero.

I know, but I am doing it for you so that you will have deniability when Bernie wins the nomination. :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgaNz8IXEAIsJMn.jpg

Let's hope she had the good sense to vote for Bernie. Bill's posture seems to indicate he voted for Hills. :)

That would be fine if this was for electing the President of the local Rotary Club.

But that's not the case.

These results of these primary elections will have impact on everybody's life.

No one should be shut out.

Here's another consideration for you.

Of these three million voters that are shut out, how many do you think wanted to vote for Bernie? And how many of them will want to vote for Hillary in November after being treated this way?

It seems to me...... And maybe I'm wrong.... That some folks here expect me to be a Hilary supporter because I'm female.

I like Hilary. I also like Bernie. In fact..... I support more of Bernie's ideas than Hilary's but I'm also aware that in the current political climate, Bernie won't be able to get a lot of his ideas off the ground.

I now believe that Hillary will get the nomination and win the Presidency unless the email fiasco rears it's ugly head. But had the GOP able to put up a credible candidate unlike the most hated contestants Trump or Cruz, she will be toast because most younger Berniacs will not ever vote for Hillary, whereas the Republican base is very reliable and can be counted on to vote against any Democrat in the general election.

Real test will be if the Democrats pick up additional seats in Congress.

Not really but understandable if it were so. Just that most of my family and friends are Hillary supporters simply because either Bernie is a 'Soshialist', one or two feel he is a commie, but mostly because he is 'not electable' so why bother. I have put you in that last group.

Rupert Murdoch thanks you for your support of the NY Post.

When it comes right down to it.... I'm a soshalist.

But, I'm practical enough to understand all candidates have their limitations. It's a matter of deciding which limitations I can live with.

The left is saying the same thing.

You can run, but you can't hide.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/1...ranchised_from

Ignorance of the rules isn't a valid defense Tom. Also, anyone can vote a provisional ballot if there is some snafu in their registration.

We're not talking about "snafu's".

We're talking about rules specifically designed to shut people out.

The same principal is in play here as the "rules" that the Old South used to keep blacks from voting.

Bullshit. You're comparing party primary elections to general elections.

They should be the same.

Forcing independents to wait until the two private clubs have narrowed the choices down to two "acceptable" candidates is indefensible.

And what you are doing is defending the indefensible because in this case it happens to serve your purposes.

I now pronounce you our resident 'excusenik', and well earned if I may say so. :)

Last I checked Bernie is an independent running on a Democratic party platform. If he was running as an independent without a party where would he be?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2606498

http://thebernreport.com/election-ju...in-ny-primary/

I understand the hearing id in progress now. This is getting ridicilous.