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VanishingPoi 04-09-2016 05:43 PM

Bernie Sanders Wins Wyoming Democratic Caucuses
 
Feeling the Bern!
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/us...ald-trump.html

Boreas 04-09-2016 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VanishingPoi (Post 309680)

I am.:D.

68custom 04-09-2016 06:23 PM

that is awesome!

bobabode 04-09-2016 06:31 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/wyoming

7 delegates each.

Rajoo 04-09-2016 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 309683)

So Bernie wins 55.7% and Hillary wins 44.3%, and they each get 7 delegates. Who is doing the math here? :mad:
That's OK, all people will remember is that Hillary lost again. :)

bobabode 04-09-2016 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 309686)
So Bernie wins 55.7% and Hillary wins 44.3%, and they each get 7 delegates. Who is doing the math here? :mad:
That's OK, all people will remember is that Hillary lost again. :)

I haven't delved into it much but as I understand it this was a closed caucus with early voting by mail allowed.

Maybe it's a Confederate state? ;)

Rajoo 04-09-2016 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 309688)
I haven't delved into it much but as I understand it this was a closed caucus with early voting by mail allowed.

Maybe it's a Confederate state? ;)

Well, Hillary did not campaign in Wyoming sending Slick Willie instead and Hillary came out with a tie after a loss. Is he good or what? :D

donquixote99 04-09-2016 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 309688)
I haven't delved into it much but as I understand it this was a closed caucus with early voting by mail allowed.

Maybe it's a Confederate state? ;)

It's a 'country and western' state. Lots of confederate cousins.

MrPots 04-09-2016 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 309686)
So Bernie wins 55.7% and Hillary wins 44.3%, and they each get 7 delegates. Who is doing the math here? :mad:
That's OK, all people will remember is that Hillary lost again. :)

Well no, because Clinton somehow gets "super delegates" she actually gets; 11 delegates and Sanders only gets 7.

Even though Sanders won the state.

See why I think politics in this country stink to high heaven?

Fuck the will of the people, the democrats are going to install whoever they fucking want.

bobabode 04-09-2016 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 309692)
It's a 'country and western' state. Lots of confederate cousins.

Did somebody move the Mason/Dixon line? ;)

Now that I think of it Maryland is below the 'Line'. I guess we can toss them under the bus for voting for oligarchs too. :cool:

Oerets 04-09-2016 10:14 PM

All I'm seeing is the (WINNING!) ticket for the Fall from the Dems. Clinton/Sanders.......Sander/Clinton??? Who cares along as it the Dems in control!



Barney

bobabode 04-09-2016 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 309695)
All I'm seeing is the (WINNING!) ticket for the Fall from the Dems. Clinton/Sanders.......Sander/Clinton??? Who cares along as it the Dems in control!



Barney

Me too, old friend, me too.
Either of our candidates will shellac El Cheeto T'Rumpolini or Lyin' Ted. :D

This old Yippie just happens to think Hillary is the better one. ;)

Oerets 04-09-2016 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 309696)
Me too, old friend, me too.
Either of our candidates will shellac El Cheeto T'Rumpolini or Lyin' Ted. :D

This old Yippie just happens to think Hillary is the better one. ;)

Come the free for all in CLE this June and after the dust settles I feel the unlucky one to be the top of the ticket, will be neither of them!



Barney

nailer 04-10-2016 03:54 AM

Where I come from this is called a draw.

donquixote99 04-10-2016 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 309694)
Did somebody move the Mason/Dixon line? ;)

Now that I think of it Maryland is below the 'Line'. I guess we can toss them under the bus for voting for oligarchs too. :cool:

No movement of the MD line, but the Far West and the Deep South are ideological allies, both basically opposed to federal government power. Here's an interesting article on the "11 nations" of North America: http://emerald.tufts.edu/alumni/maga...p-in-arms.html

http://emerald.tufts.edu/alumni/maga...inarms-map.jpg

nailer 04-10-2016 06:52 AM

Cool and interesting map.

barbara 04-10-2016 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 309695)
All I'm seeing is the (WINNING!) ticket for the Fall from the Dems. Clinton/Sanders.......Sander/Clinton??? Who cares along as it the Dems in control!



Barney



Agreed.

Tom Joad 04-10-2016 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 309686)
So Bernie wins 55.7% and Hillary wins 44.3%, and they each get 7 delegates. Who is doing the math here? :mad:

Just more evidence that this nomination is rigged for Clinton, as if we needed any more.:rolleyes:

There are also reports that Clinton supporters brought in hundreds of absentee ballots favoring her. WTF? I thought a caucus meant that you had to get up off the couch and actually participate.:confused:

http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/new-...7ed6c9c66.html

Then there's the fact that unlike some of the other Caucus states, Wyoming is a closed caucus. You have ti be a registered Democrat and you have to do it in advance. No same day registration. With all that going against him, it's not surprising that Bernies margin of victory was smaller in Wyoming than some of the other caucus states.

Rajoo 04-10-2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 309721)
Just more evidence that this nomination is rigged for Clinton, as if we needed any more.:rolleyes:

There are also reports that Clinton supporters brought in hundreds of absentee ballots favoring her. WTF? I thought a caucus meant that you had to get up off the couch and actually participate.:confused:

http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/new-...7ed6c9c66.html

Then there's the fact that unlike some of the other Caucus states, Wyoming is a closed caucus. You have ti be a registered Democrat and you have to do it in advance. No same day registration. With all that going against him, it's not surprising that Bernies margin of victory was smaller in Wyoming than some of the other caucus states.

The thing that really bothers me is that the political operatives are manipulating the system to come up with a paper victory for HRC. How good is that? Hillary already begins with a very low trust threshold, you rig the system to make her win, and how does that look?

Once again I am beginning to feel sorry for her, she appears not to have the HP to get elected President based on her merrits and now is being propped up. Does Bernie have it, we don't know, at least he is able to stand on his own. I cannot see how any one can stand and listen to a Hillary campaign speech.

icenine 04-10-2016 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 309731)
The thing that really bothers me is that the political operatives are manipulating the system to come up with a paper victory for HRC. How good is that? Hillary already begins with a very low trust threshold, you rig the system to make her win, and how does that look?

Once again I am beginning to feel sorry for her, she appears not to have the HP to get elected President based on her merrits and now is being propped up. Does Bernie have it, we don't know, at least he is able to stand on his own. I cannot see how any one can stand and listen to a Hillary campaign speech.

Everyone is different.

I know you are upset about the super delegate thing but Obama did the same thing to Hillary in 2008.

The primaries are different in that both parties are really in control of the actual machine of each state and run the conventions. The establishments of each party have a big hand in the running of both processes.

Have you noticed that Trump is actually not being allowed to pick his own delegates at the state ratifying conventions? That is because he is green and Cruz knows how to game the system and organize at those conventions.
If Trump was electable maybe the local state guys might be putting up more of a fight with Cruz.

In short the Democratic establishment feels more comfortable right now with Hillary than Bernie and only a big victory in New York and California might shake them. I am confident that those two things probably won't happen.
I am sure you would not complain about super delegates if Bernie started to get them.

Boreas 04-10-2016 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 309737)
In short the Democratic establishment feels more comfortable right now with Hillary than Bernie and only a big victory in New York and California might shake them. I am confident that those two things probably won't happen.
I am sure you would not complain about super delegates if Bernie started to get them.

Don't be.

Tom Joad 04-10-2016 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 309737)
I know you are upset about the super delegate thing but Obama did the same thing to Hillary in 2008.

Sorry Dude, but that's wrong.

The truth is Hillary started out with a big superdelegate lead over Obama just like she has over Bernie. She lost it when it became apparent that Obama was cleaning her clock in the primaries.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/201...te-switcharoos

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The Guardian reported in February 2008:

Hillary Clinton is starting to lose her overwhelming lead with super-delegates, the Democratic party officials whose votes she is counting on to help her close the gap with Barack Obama.

Obama has received a steady flow of new backers in recent days while building a streak of 11 straight primary victories.

[...] Most unnerving for Clinton is the trickle of super-delegates who have defected from her corner to Obama's.

[...] Super-delegates who represent areas won by Obama are facing pressure to declare for him. One Clinton super-delegate, Texas congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, said colleagues had urged her to support Obama if he wins her district in the primary.

icenine 04-10-2016 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 309741)
Don't be.

I am. I am sort of at the I don't care stage right now events are beyond my control.


I just got mad because Sanders started to equate Hillary with Bush and the neo-cons.

I have been pretty easy on Sanders. I just don't think he can deliver on single payer and even if he breaks up Wall Street it will just result in smaller banks that over time will re-consolidate into bigger ones again. Plus there could be disruptions once he starts to break them up in both New York and on the stock exchange.

icenine 04-10-2016 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 309743)
Sorry Dude, but that's wrong.

The truth is Hillary started out with a big superdelegate lead over Obama just like she has over Bernie. She lost it when it became apparent that Obama was cleaning her clock in the primaries.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/201...te-switcharoos

Bernie hasn't been exactly cleaning her clock. You forget Ohio and some other big states.

Tom Joad 04-10-2016 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 309748)
Bernie hasn't been exactly cleaning her clock. You forget Ohio and some other big states.

He has to win New York, I'll give you that.

If he can win there, that will be a game changer IMO.

Hillary considers herself to be entitled to the Presidency.

She is livid with rage that someone has had the temerity to challenge her.

You can see it in her face, hear it in her voice, and read it in her body language.

It's building up like Krakatoa right under the surface.

If she loses New York I think she will blow and have a major meltdown in public which will get recorded and go viral on youtube wth 86 million views in the first 24 hours, thus driving a stake through the heart of her campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETzJ...&nohtml5=False

bobabode 04-10-2016 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 309752)
He has to win New York, I'll give you that.

If he can win there, that will be a game changer IMO.

Hillary considers herself to be entitled to the Presidency.

She is livid with rage that someone has had the temerity to challenge her.

You can see it in her face, hear it in her voice, and read it in her body language.

It's building up like Krakatoa right under the surface.

If she loses New York I think she will blow and have a major meltdown in public which will get recorded and go viral on youtube wth 86 million views in the first 24 hours, thus driving a stake through the heart of her campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETzJ...&nohtml5=False

That's funny. She seems cool, calm and in charge to me. Go figure.

Tom Joad 04-11-2016 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 309693)
Well no, because Clinton somehow gets "super delegates" she actually gets; 11 delegates and Sanders only gets 7.

Even though Sanders won the state.

See why I think politics in this country stink to high heaven?

Fuck the will of the people, the democrats are going to install whoever they fucking want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7T5tI0MuUQ

MrPots 04-12-2016 08:43 AM

Indeed Tom, why even vote? Talk about a complete waste of time. The top democrat and republican rulers are going to pick our next president and fuck the will of the people. The party rulers have set "rules" in place to do so and the puppets, the american voters, like a bunch of goddamn sheep will follow the rules without question, comment or even a whisper of protest.

Yes, I did note the reaction here on this board when I pointed out this bullshit. Nothing...fucking crickets. Nobody cared because "those are the rules". Who makes the rules? The party rulers. Just like they do in any communist country in the world.

Thank you Tom..... and people wonder why we are angry as the founding principles of this country are thrown in the trash. As we "pretend" to be a free country with some sort of democracy.

Pio1980 04-12-2016 09:33 AM

The local channel is rerunning the Defiance period of Scandal, about a stolen election.


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Mr. Lin 04-12-2016 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 309893)

Yes, I did note the reaction here on this board when I pointed out this bullshit. Nothing...fucking crickets. Nobody cared because "those are the rules". Who makes the rules? The party rulers. Just like they do in any communist country in the world.

Uh, then you must have missed some of my and others' recent posts. You're hardly alone in being fed up with this bullsh*t.

Rajoo 04-12-2016 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Lin (Post 309934)
Uh, then you must have missed some of my and others' recent posts. You're hardly alone in being fed up with this bullsh*t.

As long as we have delegates selecting nominees, an electoral college voting for President, nothing can or will change. Let's not even talk about congressional districts. It's a recipe rather than democracy.

Mr. Lin 04-12-2016 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 309936)
As long as we have delegates selecting nominees, an electoral college voting for President, nothing can or will change. Let's not even talk about congressional districts. It's a recipe rather than democracy.

I just noticed what your clever avatar is.


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