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VanishingPoi 03-24-2016 08:13 AM

Understanding Marxism and So************************m with Richard Wolff
 
I think everyone knows by now that I am a Marxist. Richard Wolff has a great way of talking about Marxism. I like to share just a little of it. I have been studying it for several years now and in no way does this explain it in total.

"To understand why Marx's popularity has stood the test of time, Abby Martin interviews renowned Marxist economist Richard Wolff".

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...&jumival=15950

nailer 03-24-2016 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by VanishingPoi (Post 307722)
I think everyone knows by now that I am a Marxist. Richard Wolff has a great way of talking about Marxism. I like to share just a little of it. I have been studying it for several years now and in no way does this explain it in total.

"To understand why Marx's popularity has stood the test of time, Abby Martin interviews renowned Marxist economist Richard Wolff".

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...&jumival=15950

Isn't Karl the guy who tried to sell labor (not the scarce skilled variety) being as important as scarce resources? What he was describing applied to then (western Europe and US), not now. His labor supply is now essentially global and well in surplus of demand. Adam Smith is where it's at.

Dondilion 03-24-2016 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 307736)
Isn't Karl the guy who tried to sell labor (not the scarce skilled variety) being as important as scarce resources? What he was describing applied to then (western Europe and US), not now. His labor supply is now essentially global and well in surplus of demand. Adam Smith is where it's at.

The Northern Europeans have bought a good chunk of Karl's argument and made adjustments.

nailer 03-24-2016 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 307741)
The Northern Europeans have bought a good chunk of Karl's argument and made adjustments.

Which makes perfect sense. His theories applied best there. At the time of the Great Depression organized labor was a force to be reckoned with in Northern Europe.

Boreas 03-24-2016 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 307745)
Which makes perfect sense. His theories applied best there. At the time of the Great Depression organized labor was a force to be reckoned with in Northern Europe.

The social democracies of Northern Europe came into their own during the post-WWII era of prosperity, not during the Great Depression.

nailer 03-24-2016 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 307752)
The social democracies of Northern Europe came into their own during the post-WWII era of prosperity, not during the Great Depression.

So? :rolleyes: :) :cool:

Boreas 03-24-2016 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 307760)
So? :rolleyes: :) :cool:

So, the context you describe and the motivations you imply for the development of European social democracies is incorrect. They developed during a time of prosperity and stability, not crisis and upheaval.

nailer 03-24-2016 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 307761)
So, the context you describe and the motivations you imply for the development of European social democracies is incorrect. They developed during a time of prosperity and stability, not crisis and upheaval.

What happened in the 30's greatly impacted the post war. Many concessions were made to labor, especially in Scandinavia.

Boreas 03-24-2016 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 307763)
What happened in the 30's greatly impacted the post war. Many concessions were made to labor, especially in Scandinavia.

What concessions were made?

Was it only organized labor agitating for these concessions?

What was it about the Great Depression which prompted the demand for these concessions?

Were these concessions merely congruent with the interest of organized labor or did they impact society as a whole?

Discuss.

whell 03-24-2016 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VanishingPoi (Post 307722)
I think everyone knows by now that I am a Marxist. Richard Wolff has a great way of talking about Marxism. I like to share just a little of it. I have been studying it for several years now and in no way does this explain it in total.

"To understand why Marx's popularity has stood the test of time, Abby Martin interviews renowned Marxist economist Richard Wolff".

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...&jumival=15950

Its not Marx's popularity that has stood the test of time. Its Marx's infamy which as stood the test of time.

Boreas 03-24-2016 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 307770)
Its not Marx's popularity that has stood the test of time. Its Marx's infamy which as stood the test of time.

Depends on whom you ask.

Tom Joad 03-24-2016 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 307770)
Its not Marx's popularity that has stood the test of time. Its Marx's infamy which as stood the test of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-roBPhD-G3U

nailer 03-24-2016 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 307769)
What concessions were made?

Was it only organized labor agitating for these concessions?

What was it about the Great Depression which prompted the demand for these concessions?

Were these concessions merely congruent with the interest of organized labor or did they impact society as a whole?

Discuss.

A larger piece of the pie. Said pie is now being recut with labor getting a smaller portion.

For more insight you might begin with Global Capitalism: Its Fall and Rise in the Twentieth Century.

Boreas 03-24-2016 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 307800)
A larger piece of the pie. Said pie is now being recut with labor getting a smaller portion.

For more insight you might begin with Global Capitalism: Its Fall and Rise in the Twentieth Century.

I want your answers. If I had wanted a book reference, I'd have asked for one. I'm interested to learn whether you're even capable of a reasoned discussion of anything. Based on what we see of you here, you appear unable to string more than two sentences together I one post and not always in a coherently.

nailer 03-24-2016 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 307805)
I want your answers. If I had wanted a book reference, I'd have asked for one. I'm interested to learn whether you're even capable of a reasoned discussion of anything. Based on what we see of you here, you appear unable to string more than two sentences together I one post and not always in a coherently.

You're a riot and therapeutic to boot. :)

BTW, my pie analogy is an accurate response to your numerous questions.

whell 03-25-2016 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 307805)
I want your answers. If I had wanted a book reference, I'd have asked for one. I'm interested to learn whether you're even capable of a reasoned discussion of anything. Based on what we see of you here, you appear unable to string more than two sentences together I one post and not always in a coherently.

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 307809)
You're a riot and therapeutic to boot. :)

BTW, my pie analogy is an accurate response to your numerous questions.

Yeah, John's like that. He's got no problems dishing out insults whenever he sees fit. Then he'll turn around and castigate others for dishing it out. He also has been known to correct others' posts for spelling and grammar. Maybe he needs to read some of his own posts more closely.

Go figure.

noonereal 03-25-2016 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 307878)
correct others' posts for spelling and grammar.
.

that's my specialty whelly, I lead the nation in spelling and grammar mistakes.

Feel free to have at me anytime. :)

noonereal 03-25-2016 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 307805)
I'm interested to learn whether you're even capable of a reasoned discussion of anything.

Whelly is a soldier, his mantra is the party line.

that's him, 3rd from the back

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...B4IJGfU1h1fJRL

VanishingPoi 03-29-2016 08:32 AM

Marxism 101
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg

VanishingPoi 03-29-2016 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 307805)
I want your answers. If I had wanted a book reference, I'd have asked for one. I'm interested to learn whether you're even capable of a reasoned discussion of anything. Based on what we see of you here, you appear unable to string more than two sentences together I one post and not always in a coherently.


People fear what they don't understand.

nailer 03-29-2016 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by VanishingPoi (Post 308346)
People fear what they don't understand.

People fear what other's tell them to be afraid of.

Denier 04-10-2016 08:44 AM

The fact that this thread is in the environmentalism forum demonstrates the insanity of the criminal hijacking of environmentalism to create a worldwide communist/1984 style dictatorship without any freedom whatsoever. Billions will die if we don't stop the commies!

donquixote99 04-10-2016 09:24 AM

Billions may die, but it's not a commie plot. Opposing science will if anything kill more.

Denier 04-10-2016 12:46 PM

Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill

http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/56494/

http://liberalsmentallyill.blogspot.com/

bobabode 04-10-2016 12:52 PM

World Nut Daily?

donquixote99 04-10-2016 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Denier (Post 309761)
Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill

Guess what. I'm a 'veteran messageboardoligist,' and I call trolls mentally ill.

I defy you to give a non-mentally-ill reason for doing what you do. You can't do it.

finnbow 04-10-2016 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Denier (Post 309761)
Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill

http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/56494/

http://liberalsmentallyill.blogspot.com/

Well, I guess that settles it (at least in your fevered mind).:rolleyes:

icenine 04-10-2016 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Denier (Post 309761)
Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill

http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/56494/

http://liberalsmentallyill.blogspot.com/

You are right Denier I will become a Tea Party member right now!

nailer 04-11-2016 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 309816)
You are right Denier I will become a Tea Party member right now!

This would explain last night's left leaning sigh in the Force.


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