Europe is at War
 

At least according to the French PM in the wake of today's terrorist attacks in Brussels.

Source: AP news on KERA.

This war will last very long.

It's what vermin do.

The EU opens it's borders to provide sanctuary to millions of refugees and this is how a bunch of homegrown terrorists show their gratitude. The people doing this shit are not sneaking into Europe to slaughter people, they were born in Europe.

But perhaps we should be trying to understand how bitter they are to be growing up in the ugly and oppressive world of France, Belgium, the Netherlands, etc., rather than in the paradise of their Middle East homeland of which they have been robbed. Perhaps not. Perhaps the peace loving family members of terrorists, who know exactly what their loved ones are up to, might consider turning them in to the authorities before they can blow anybody to shreds. Fat fucking chance.

You're already drawn the conclusion that this was a lone whack job (or small band of whack jobs) and not an orchestrated attack? Based on what evidence?

It is assumed that it is the Molenbeek group. One (Salah Abdeslam) of their members was arrested recently. It was reported that he was talking and it is felt that the group then stepped up their attack.

Molenbeek Brussels is a hot bed of home grown Muslim radicalism. The Belgians for a long time went to sleep and ignored the agitation in this area...the f#@king capital of Europe.

What's the matter with Belgium?

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...ek-isis/416235

What's the matter with EU nationals, born and raised, who turn around and slaughter people? Flaws in the religion and flaws in the culture.

And please people...don't be telling us about the crusades and the Spanish Inquisition OK? It appears to be human nature for almost every culture/religion to have their moment of mass insanity. It's Islam's turn right now.

Yes, we have Christian sovereign citizens, and homegrown US Christian fundamentalist cells that have generated a McVeigh now and then.

But nothing like the hundred or more worldwide terrorist groups we're dealing with that are generated from this culture. And not just the slaughter...the kidnapping, rape and sexual slavery as well.

Why TF are brave Muslim women like Irshad Manji and Ayan Hirsi Ali risking everything in their quest for reformation? Because that is where the problem lies.

But what about the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition?

Its also fertile recruiting ground for ISIS. That's why the "homegrown" comment is questionable, IMHO.

According to RT, ISIS has claimed responsibility.

Thanks for the link. Going to read The Obama Doctrine next.

I believe ISIS has also claimed responsibility for Auschwitz.:rolleyes:

Good article. Thanks.

Stalker alert.

Actually, ISIS usually refrains from claiming responsibility for attacks they didn't organize and even for some they probably did.

I didnt say anything of the fucking sort about the size of the organization responsible. Don't make shit up.

Good opinion. The only "Actually" that applies to your comment is that actually everybody has an opinion.

Okay, then. Show me where ISIS claimed responsibility for Auschwitz.

Not really. The Crusades and the Inquisition are relevant. The high school debating tactic of shouting "And don't tell me about so and so" is only used to try to preempt valid counter-arguments.

What would your reaction be if I were to launch into a tirade castigating Israel for their treatment of the Palestinians and then add "and don't tell me about the Holocaust!" I doubt it would sit very well with you.

Thoughts and prayers to the families and friends of the victims...

You're a fucking stalker. You already admitted it on the forum. Not that your mod bromancers from AK give a shit.

Care to address the points I made? Militant Islam is a response. Is it wise to deal with the response without addressing the circumstances that provoke the response?

Discuss. :)

These guys were born in the EU. WTF does homegrown mean to you?

Not with a fucking stalker.

That's a pity. I was looking forward to learning your views.

It's a malcontent who rejects the culture he/she has chosen to inhabit, who refuses to make even the smallest efforts to assimilate, and who then pisses and moans about the majority culture and it's disinterest in his/her problems and hardships. All the while considering those of the majority culture to be infidels and heretics unworthy of existence.

Its sociopathic vermin who then decide to turn around and blow up a few hundred of their innocent "countrymen" as payback for the shit life they have created for themselves.

Bullshit...stalker. You know what my fucking views are. And you've already confirmed that you primary purpose in responding to my posts is to generate a reaction. Well you got a reaction. Wank away, stalker.

Most of the people we've seen involved in these European terrorist attacks are European by birth so they didn't "choose" to live there.

You might want to reflect on the following, Alan. I offer this without animus or a desire to further inflame this discussion but to alert you to the potential consequences of such attitudes.

I don't waste my time reflecting on the neurotic spewing of stalkers.

A helluva lot of these things are Maghreb, born in or (more likely) descended from persons born in north Africa, esp. Algiers and Tunis.

It wasn't my "spewing", Alan, but if you feel that way, why not put me on ignore?

Does this serious topic deserve an argument that is actually not necessary?

I don't "make shit up", but I did read your post. You referred to today's attack being executed by "homegrown terrorists". This would preclude coordination by, for example, ISIS, who is now claiming responsibility.

I simply wondered where you got the information that prompted you to label the attackers as "homegrown terrorists".

It apparently means something different to you than it does the rest of the world. Let me help you out.

A homegrown terrorist would be someone like a Tim Mcveigh: self radicalized, possibly partnered with individuals who are also self-radicalized or at least share a common set of (screwed up) ideals, but do not claim influence from an external source. McVeigh's place of birth would not necessarily be relevant. For example, he could have been born in Canada and later came to the United States, but he was not under the influence, recruited by or supported by a foreign element, state or group.

If ISIS is involved in the planning or execution of the attacks, and/or involved in recruiting or sponsoring the activities of the Belgian attackers, then they would not be "homegrown". Richard Colvin Reid was born in England, but radicalized and trained and supported by Al Qaeda when he tried to blow up a plane with a bomb in his shoe. He's not "homegrown".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...z50rsrj8vbzkt9

Meanwhile, over 3,000 people will die toady in roadway crashes and nobody gives a shit.

http://asirt.org/initiatives/informi...ash-statistics

So, if McVeigh's philosophical inspiration originated with a Brit or Canadian fringe radical Christian, he wouldn't be "home-grown"?

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Btw, Belgium has the most lax arms regulation in Europe, you go there to get any amount of almost anything you want.

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So, Tom is trying to equate an act of war - at minimum a planned act of extreme violence in a single day - with accidental deaths spread out over the course of the year?

Hmmm...giving Ike some competition for the award most idiotic post in this thread? ;)

If he was aided / supported by an external organization or gov't, the wouldn't fit the definition of domestic or "homegrown" terrorist.

Not sure what that means in the context of this discussion. Also, Belgium isn't particularly plagued by gun violence, today's events not withstanding.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...-100-residents