The Beginning of the End for Hillary
 

Nothing to see here. Just another right wing conspiracy.


It's the beginning of the end for Hillary.

Ominous: The FBI was mad that Petraeus got off so lightly - though his was an egregious example.

Is the FBI going to use his fat to fry Clinton?

They can try. The question is whether or not Obama will allow Lynch to actually do her job.

Either way. It looks like this one is rapidly approaching critical mass. If the FBI recommends indictment and she is not indicted it will still cause her campaign to spontaneously combust and I will have a permanent smile on my face for at least two years straight.

Pagliano better have some top notch protective custody or he'll end up like Vince Foster.

I hope this puts Hillary on a rocket train to hell! May she crash and burn.

Then it would be Sanders and Trump. I think Trump would have a very difficult time against him.

Trump would beat Sanders like a rented mule.

You guys forget that if they knock Hillary out then there is nothing stopping America's Dad, Joe Biden, from stepping in. You ever hear Joe address a crowd? Didn't think so, it will then be game over.


Carl

You really think so? or is this just the amount of heart Bern you feel over him? Either way I am good with that. Just curious. I think Sanders is the only Democratic candidate that is worth anything. I also believe, unfortunately, that this most powerful Dem running is Hillary. That make me nauseous.

I have heard him speak, yep, he needs help. I don't think he could step in by any means, just for this reason.

I'm not understanding how mishandling information can be criminal unless she had criminal intent. Otherwise it was simply and accident or ignorance.

Nobody is perfect.

This is about the 19 millionth time some right winger has screamed "We got her now"! You dudes are getting boring as Hell with this shit. I'm a Sanders supporter so there is nothing I'd like better than to see the Hildebeast go down, but the truth of the matter is you ain't got shit. If you did, it would have hit the fan a long time ago. So STFU already. :rolleyes:

Did you read the article?

The Justice Department has granted immunity to a former State Department staffer, who worked on Hillary Clinton’s private email server, as part of a criminal investigation into the possible mishandling of classified information, according to a senior law enforcement official.

This is no laughing matter for Hillary's campaign, despite her constant cackling when asked about it.

To Republicans she is guilty until proven innocent just like their Benghazi farce. Their 11 hours of badgering couldn't even begin to ruffle her feathers.


Carl

Your point is irrelevant to the matter at hand. The Benghazi farce was an investigation by Darrell Issa and then Trey Gowdy and their Congresscritter clowns. Hillary's email problem is being investigated by FBI counterintelligence agents and supervised by the Justice Department’s National Security Division.

Point taken. I was trying to point out that nobody's going to ruffle her feathers. Me, I want to see Biden run. :)


Carl

Whether or not it ruffles her feathers, an indictment of her or her closest confidants will effectively destroy her candidacy. FWIW, I too would like to see Biden in the race.

From the dark side, are you?

The FBI length of time could imply being methodical. :D

Agreed with your intent. However, you ever tell a police officer you didn't mean to be 20MPH over the speed limit? Ignorance and accidents are no defense for breaking the law.

Meh.

1. Nothing here.
2. Too easy.
3. I've seen it many times.

A desperate prosecution gives immunity to a star witness believing they hold key information. Said star witness either confirms there was nothing there (ruining the case) or falls on their sword without threat of prosecution (ruining the case).

Either way, the trail stops.

Can you still run for President with an indictment?

Yes, I think so. Our laws are based on the presumption of innocence.

Relieved?;)

An imaginative bumper sticker. Should sell like hot cakes then. :D

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I really doubt she will get indicted though unless they have a real case of wrongdoing, in which case this is taking way too long. More to do with politics than government secrets.

I know this sounds naïve but I honestly think if Hillary knew herself that there was a smoking gun on her server she would not run. You clowns have to remember she broke an Obama administrative rule about having a private server.

yes I mean you clown;)

They never proved anything about Benghazi. That whole thing was a silly witch hunt. This is about the e-mails, a separate issue. And, even though the investigation of her emails is on, an investigation is not proof of guilt. It simply means she is being investigated. There is still no "proof".

See, this is the trick. Political strategists are smart enough to know that all they have to do is launch an investigation or hold hearings and politically biased, nitwit Americans will assume guilt.

Until the investigation is concluded, they still have nothing but a hunch. I have a hunch, but my hunch is meaningless. You don't put people in jail without solid proof.....as per the United States Constitution.

I agree with you as you can see from my edited post. But why the investigation continues is a mystery though and is actually unfairly handicapping Hillary.

UPDATED

I think you're being quite naive about the lure of power and the arrogance of the powerful. It's very easy for me to believe that Hillary (or anyone who has wielded power for a long time) to think they could just balls this thing out until everyone gave up.

And remember all those Bush hacks in key positions that broke with tradition by refusing to resign when Obama was elected? They're still there, Robbin, just waiting for their chance. And some of them are still in State and DoJ.

The worst part of this is that, if there is something for the FBI to sink their teeth into, we're fucked. The other shoe will drop after the Convention, Hillary will be the Democratic nominee and Trump will be our next president.

Or Cruz.

Also, it's not about the mere existence of the private server or the possibility that Hillary went against an Administration policy. After all, Powell and Rice had private servers too. All those arguments are just deflections from the real problem.

The real problem is the fact that we're in a political climate where the Republicans and their operatives in and out of government will move heaven and earth do destroy their opponents. And these people have been after Hillary's scalp for a quarter century and now they smell blood because, for the first time, they have something tangible.

It's also about what's on her server and whether it constitutes a breach of security. Sure, there might have been similar problems with Rice's or Powell's server but nobody looked. They're looking now.

I think the final outcome will be that there will be no indictment but there will be a report that paints Hillary as being so arrogant, so reckless and so uncooperative that it will be more than enough to destroy her chances. This is actually the worst possible outcome for Hillary. If she's indicted, she can win in court but, if she's not indicted yet the report condemns her competence and professionalism, she can never win and never live it down.

And, no matter when the report comes out, either before or after the Convention, she won't drop out. She'll try to guts it out and she will lose. We can only hope that she loses to Sanders and not Trump or Cruz.

Naïve, is in thinking there needs to be substance or truth to allegations and charges anymore.



Barney

Even without the email scandal she has major credibility and trust issues.

Every time a poll is done it shows that the majority think she is dishonest and untrustworthy.

There are scores of Bernie supporters claiming they will not vote for her; I believe it's called "Bernie or Bust"

Trump on the other hand is gaining more and more steam as a populist and he won't shy away from mentioning every last detail of every last scandal the Clinton's have been involved in over the years.

She's in real trouble. Time to ramp up the old reliable DNC voter fraud machine.

That sometimes occurs when you have so much invested in a politician.

The politician now becomes someone who is pretty close to you.

Someone whom you know for a long time and just would not do that...is to smart etc.

N.o.t.h.i.n.g.b.u.r.g.e.r. as always.
Yes Finn, I read the article when it came out yesterday. :rolleyes:

This is going to be fun to watch.

GOP implosion, Hillary indictment or both.
One is a near certainty especially if Dems continue to support Drumpf, just a hope on Hillary.
I will continue to support Trump.

Both. I have plenty of loathing for both the eGOP and Cankles Cackles.

Who is Drumpf? I see a lot of moonbats spelling it like that thinking they're being clever. I guess you'd also have to call Obama by his real name too, Barry Sotoro.

That's the way I see it too Potter.

Unless it can be proven that she acted as a double agent and willfully and maliciously gave or sold state secrets to a foreign government then no crime was committed.

Typical ignorant leftists. Intent is not needed but the creation of the server outside the government system itself is intent.

She broke multiple laws.


U.S. Code § 793 – Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

U.S. Code § 1924 – Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

U.S. Code § 641 – Public money, property or records

U.S. Code § 1505 – Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

U.S. Code § 1519 — Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations

There are others that have been cited.

Here is John Oliver campaigning for Trump. Hope you exercise patience, his mission statement is at the very end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrlD5LiSGTM

In my 68 plus years in this shitty world I've met some Stupid Mother Fuckers but of all those Stupid Mother Fuckers you've got to be the Stupidiest. You are an All Time, All American, Stupid Mother Fucker. You are the Duke of Stupid.

Mishandling classified information is a crime as is handling public records in a manner that precludes access under the Federal Public Records Act. As far as I can tell, she did both. She had a security clearance and years in government and was fully aware of both. In fact, with her security clearance, she's required to have an annual security briefing on the handling of such records. IMHO, she did what she did because of her paranoia about right wingers getting (legal) access to her State records and filtering through them during the Presidential campaign for embarrassing facts.

Reality does tend to make you Berniebots a tad bit cranky.

Too fucking bad!

68 years old an still thinking like a stoned 20 year college kid? WTF is wrong with you?


Shut your ignorant fucking piehole and look up the statues!