Migration crisis - quo vadis, Eurpean Union?
 

This picture demonstrates the current status of the failure of the European Union nicely. Tear gas against women and children in Indomeni at the Greek border yesterday.

Thank you Britain, France, Holland, Belgium, Spain, et al. Thank you, you're so great!

At said border, military aged vanguards on the attack.

The situation at the so called "Calais Jungle" is also dramatic. The European Nations are a bunch of fucking cowardly losers, denying appropriate contingents, leaving Germany alone.

Meanwhile the United States are only interested in a Grandma and an Insane, without considering that in our global village European problems could turn easily into worldwide problems, including America.

Dumb Merkel hoist the welcome flag and got consistently played by Caliph Erdogan.

Now European countries on the route between Turkey and German, fear being
left stranded with a horde of mainly military aged single Muslim males, as the German people wake up to the folly of absorbing that mass especially in such a short time span.

A significant section of the US population has finally broken through to the Political leaders that they are tired of open borders and want illegal migration brought under control and that they are extremely wary of migrants/refugees
coming from Muslim conflict zones.

Migrations are beyond the law. If a very large group of culturally bound humans want to migrate they can be absorbed or kept out. If the migrating group is large and well lead they can take over. There's a lot of gray areas to work with though.

The actual and potential unintended consequences of this German guilt trip has me glad I live here, not there. Then again, I've never had the urge to emigrate.

Additionally the addled Merkel wants to give the Turks Schengen rights.

Prelude to tear gas.

I am so happy that I made a stage possible for you to fuck Frau Merkel again, Dondillon.

I seem to recall how a year or so ago that you were pretty outspoken against Frau Merkel (for reasons other than the Syrian refugee problem).

Where is the contradiction, Sir? I do not like her as a person. That is right. But this has nothing to do with the fact that I agree with some of her desicions as a politician in the last years.

Finnbow you speak German - so werde ich es Ihnen nochmals mit Worten meiner eigenen Sprache erklären. Auf der einen Seite steht das was sie tut, als Politikerin, auf der anderen Seite das wie sie es tut, als Mensch. Beides ist eng miteinander verbunden, dennoch sind es unterschiedliche Dinge, verstehen Sie was ich meine?

I do indeed. Her actions vis-à-vis the Syrian refugees are both a political and a humanitarian act. While it's right and just to praise the humanity of her decision, the political and social consequences of the decision, in a democratic society, are not immune to criticism. In other words, she may have done the wrong thing for the right reasons.

I'm impressed with Frau Merkel's humanity and steadfastness, but that doesn't mean that her decision won't have profound and negative consequences for her country. Similarly, I admire Obama's humanity, but that doesn't preclude criticizing some of his past decisions.

I agree! They are paralyzed. Illegal immigrants from "Calais Jungle" have been terrorizing motorists, especially truckers for the longest while. Truckers fear for their lives while passing that jungle. Some truckers for safety sake have decided to take the much longer route through Holland.

How the French allow such a camp of illegals to form and develop right beside the main trucking route to England is beyond me.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...n_8829924.html

Makes a perverse sense from a French patriot's perspective.

Maybe the French authorities fear an escalation of violence, I don't know. Pity that we have no active French member here.

For the rest of us.

It's never possible to separate a person from their actions. I know little of Frau Merkel's domestic policy beyond her position on the Refugee crisis but, in the main, I support it. She was faced with a problem with no good solutions but opted for the least terrible among them. The situations in places like Calais and Macedonia are creating a crisis far worse than that in Germany. There is a lesson there for those willing to see it.

They have chosen paralysis. In the wake of Charly Hebdo and the Paris Massacre, France's government has refused to take the political risks involved in dealing humanely with the refugees in their country. Instead, they have allowed them to travel completely across their country and pile up like jetsam on their shores.

What seems to have been lost in all of this is that most of the EU countries have employment problems. So while it is very humanitarian to welcome these migrants feeding them is another story.

Reality takes root.

From 'welcome' to 'enough'_Europe's migrant view shifts.
https:http://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/we...201445324.html

Many key countries, particularly those along the principle migration routes, refuse to let any migrants stay in their countries or even pass through them en route to other countries. They also refuse to participate in finding a common EU solution. This has created an unsupportable situation in those countries endeavoring to do the right thing.

Meanwhile, right wing parties across Europe are seeing this crisis as a double blessing. First they see it as a golden opportunity for advancing their racist Blood and Soil agenda and, at the same time, they see the crisis as the hammer by which they can shatter the hated European Union.

It's all going nicely according to plan. No doubt "President Trump" is looking forward to making common cause with these bastards. He's cut from the same cloth.

A sign of things to come.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/threat-ex...165921268.html

The French are paralyzed as a nation and essentially have been since WWI. Verdun was the tipping point. Your description of their current government actions to a large degree mirrors their response to Nazi Germany.

Funny you all call them migrants but here we call them undocumented aliens.

Actually, I call them refugees. So does the country of your birth. What do you call them?

Refugees since many are fleeing terror and death in Central America.

My mother is calling them refugees. She knows what she is talking about. She was a refugee in 1945, a young girl threatened by rape and death.

The use of the term "migrants" is a deliberate attempt to minimize the plight of these people. It's designed to characterize them as people who are not fleeing from economic ruin and the very real threat of death but as people who at best merely want to be social parasites in their new country of residence and at worst enter those countries as terrorist "sleepers".

Very good article from The Economist - the old left vs. right days are waning; people no longer attach themselves to a particular class - the industrial/manufacturing political identity is all but gone.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefi...-thou-art-sick

Well written.

The article ends with advice to center leftists: "They must make their own currents".

But Cats how is this tied to the migrant issue?

From the article:

Where are all the votes going? Many have been hoovered up by populists, typically of the anti-market left in southern Europe and the anti-migrant right in the north

And:

The fall of the iron curtain in 1989 and the subsequent integration of eastern Europe into the EU hastened some of that change by providing new pools of cheap labour. It also had a deeper effect. The politics of the EU countries had until then been constrained by history: hemmed in by the threat of the Soviet Union on one side and by memories of fascism on the other, social democrats and Christian democrats huddled in the centre ground. A generation later parties can set out their pitch far away from the old mainstream.

On the news last night most of the 'migrants' returned to Turkey were Pakistanis, so what terror were they fleeing?

The Taliban and others of that ilk.

Who mainly operated out of Pakistan and into Afghanistan. only very recently have they suicide bombed in Lahore

Anarchy rules in NW Pakistan. Lots of Pakistani Muslims, and not just NW residents, would like to live somewhere else.

The Taliban have been operating inside Pakistan for years. So has the US.

RU serious?

http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1459878174

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...2j0a4wffav.jpg

https://southpawtracks.files.wordpre...yousafzai9.jpg

Quite serious since they were already on Lesbos when that suicide bomber struck, unless you are suggesting they were clairvoyant.

Rationalizations and sarcasm. Right.

Only the first pic comes from the Easter bombing. The middle one comes from the 2014 Peshawar school massacre. The last pic is Malala Yousafzai in 2012.

But go ahead. Tell us some more about how no one could have any valid concerns about terrorism in Pakistan.

Those pictures and the incidents they depict don't count because they don't fit Rob's ongoing narrative.

Pakistan one of the 10 most dangerous places to live - from the U.S. Dept. of State:

So far in 2015, there have been more than 200 terror-related incidents in Pakistan. On August 16, a senior Punjab state official and 18 others were killed by a suicide bomber at his political office in Attock. A Pakistani Taliban splinter group named Jamaat-ul-Ahrar claimed responsibility. The same group previously used suicide bombers to attack two Christian churches in Lahore on March 15, killing 15 people and injuring another 70, and a police facility in Lahore on February 17, killing 8 people and injuring another 19.

Targeted attacks against government officials, humanitarian and non-governmental organization (NGO) employees, tribal elders, and law enforcement personnel continue throughout the country. U.S.citizens have also been targeted. On April 16, 2015, a U.S. educator was seriously injured while driving her own vehicle in Karachi after being shot by two gunmen on motorbikes. Evidence obtained by local police suggests that she was targeted, in part, because she is a U.S. citizen.

Suicide bomb attacks have occurred in major cities and other locations across the country, including universities, schools, rallies, places of worship, and major marketplaces in several Pakistani cities.

Sectarian violence occurs countrywide. On May 13, 2015, gunmen attacked a bus traveling in Karachi, killing more than 40 of the passengers. Most of the victims were members of the Ismaili Shia Muslim minority community. Members of minority communities have been victims of targeted killings and accusations of blasphemy, a crime that carries the death penalty in Pakistan. Places of worship of various faiths have frequently been targeted for attack by terrorists. U.S. government personnel are prohibited from attending services at places of worship in Karachi, Lahore, and Peshawar, and outside of the diplomatic enclave in Islamabad without prior approval. Foreign nationals, including U.S. citizens, on valid missionary visas have encountered increased scrutiny from local authorities since early 2011.

Pakistan appears to be another country at war with itself.

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