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CarlV 02-13-2016 04:12 PM

Scalia Dead
 
KCBS just broadcast he was found dead in Texas.
Quote:

Associate Justice Antonin Scalia was found dead of apparent natural causes Saturday on a luxury resort in West Texas, federal officials said.

Scalia, 79, was a guest at the Cibolo Creek Ranch, a resort in the Big Bend region south of Marfa.

According to a report, Scalia arrived at the ranch on Friday and attended a private party with about 40 people. When he did not appear for breakfast, a person associated with the ranch went to his room and found a body.

Chief U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia, of the Western Judicial District of Texas, was notified about the death from the U.S. Marshals Service.

U.S. District Judge Fred Biery said he was among those notified about Scalia's death.

"I was told it was this morning," Biery said of Scalia's death. "It happened on a ranch out near Marfa. As far as the details, I think it's pretty vague right now as to how," he said. "My reaction is it's very unfortunate. It's unfortunate with any death, and politically in the presidential cycle we're in, my educated guess is nothing will happen before the next president is elected."
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/us-...nd-6828930.php

Carl

finnbow 02-13-2016 04:17 PM

Wow. The GOP is gonna freak out over Obama's next appointment. The GOP might try to quash the story and prop him up on the bench, Weekend at Bernie's style.

CarlV 02-13-2016 04:17 PM

I guess RIP Scalia, but it sure is a great day for the United States Of America, he is no longer destroying the fabric of our great country..

Carl

Tom Joad 02-13-2016 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 301646)
I guess RIP Scalia,

I'll say it with no problem,

Rot in Hell you Son of a Bitch.

CarlV 02-13-2016 04:24 PM

Luxury resort, private party, he never misses a Koch Summit......



Carl

Tom Joad 02-13-2016 04:27 PM

It says he was "found dead". That probably means the fucker died alone. That pleases me.

finnbow 02-13-2016 04:29 PM

I have no problem with him having been an advocate for a conservative POV (which I don't share, BTW) in that I like the idea of a court with different POV's on it. I wouldn't want a court with an absolute conservative or liberal majority, but prefer one with an internal tension (or completely devoid of a political ideology, if that were even possible).

It'll be interesting to see who becomes the spokesperson for conservatism on the SCOTUS. Thomas is probably closest to Scalia in ideology, but I think he's a deaf mute.:D

Boreas 02-13-2016 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 301645)
Wow. The GOP is gonna freak out over Obama's next appointment. The GOP might try to quash the story and prop him up on the bench, Weekend at Bernie's style.

This is going to be pretty nasty. The Republicans won't confirm Scalia's replacement, no matter who it is. They'll let it drag out until after the general and, if a Republican wins, until after he's sworn in.

icenine 02-13-2016 04:39 PM

I doubt Obama can get a nominee through during an election year unless he nominates Glenn Beck. I am glad Ginsburg is still here for us.

bobabode 02-13-2016 04:40 PM

My guess is that the Repubs will try to hold off confirmation until Obama is out of office.

Boreas 02-13-2016 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 301652)
I have no problem with him having been an advocate for a conservative POV (which I don't share, BTW) in that I like the idea of a court with different POV's on it. I wouldn't want a court with an absolute conservative or liberal majority, but prefer one with an internal tension (or completely devoid of a political ideology, if that were even possible).

Another Liberal on the bench offers the best chance of that.

Quote:

It'll be interesting to see who becomes the spokesperson for conservatism on the SCOTUS. Thomas is probably closest to Scalia in ideology, but I think he's a deaf mute.:D
It'll be Sammy the Fish.

Boreas 02-13-2016 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 301657)
My guess is that the Repubs will try to hold off confirmation until Obama is out of office.

Beat ya!

68custom 02-13-2016 04:43 PM

No way we will see a new justice till after we have a new president.
why do I feel like singing "Ding Dong The Witch is Dead"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg

bobabode 02-13-2016 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 301660)
Beat ya!

Wanna gold star? :cool:

finnbow 02-13-2016 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 301655)
This is going to be pretty nasty. The Republicans won't confirm Scalia's replacement, no matter who it is. They'll let it drag out until after the general and, if a Republican wins, until after he's sworn in.

Recess appointments are allowed for the SCOTUS, provided that it is truly a Senate recess (unlike the quasi-recess that Obama tried to take advantage of and got shot down for).

bobabode 02-13-2016 05:02 PM

"Nothing illustrated the dynamic so well as his close friendship with Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, with whom he was in frequent disagreement. The two served together on the D.C. Circuit and respected each other’s intellect. Scalia and his wife, and Ginsburg and her husband, Martin, celebrated most New Year’s Eves together."


"Ginsburg said no one made her laugh as much as Justice Scalia did. “I love him. But sometimes I’d like to strangle him,” she once said." WaPo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...mepage%2Fstory

Can anyone confirm the whereabouts of the 'Notorious RBG' last night? :D

Mr. Lin 02-13-2016 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 301652)
I have no problem with him having been an advocate for a conservative POV (which I don't share, BTW) in that I like the idea of a court with different POV's on it. I wouldn't want a court with an absolute conservative or liberal majority, but prefer one with an internal tension (or completely devoid of a political ideology, if that were even possible).

I don't celebrate someone's death, but we're certainly far better off without that dangerous, ignorant, pseudo-intellectual on the bench. Opposing points of view is one thing, but we shouldn't have supreme court justices who believe that the Devil no longer makes pigs run off cliffs simply because he's "wilier."

Quote:

Can we talk about your drafting process—
[Leans in, stage-whispers.] I even believe in the Devil.

You do?
Of course! Yeah, he’s a real person. Hey, c’mon, that’s standard Catholic doctrine! Every Catholic believes that.

Every Catholic believes this? There’s a wide variety of Catholics out there … If you are faithful to Catholic dogma, that is certainly a large part of it.

Have you seen evidence of the Devil lately?
You know, it is curious. In the Gospels, the Devil is doing all sorts of things. He’s making pigs run off cliffs, he’s possessing people and whatnot. And that doesn’t happen very much anymore.

No.
It’s because he’s smart.

...

Well, you’re saying the Devil is persuading people to not believe in God. Couldn’t there be other reasons to not believe?
Well, there certainly can be other reasons. But it certainly favors the Devil’s desires. I mean, c’mon, that’s the explanation for why there’s not demonic possession all over the place. That always puzzled me. What happened to the Devil, you know? He used to be all over the place. He used to be all over the New Testament.

Right.
What happened to him?

He just got wilier.
He got wilier.

http://nymag.com/news/features/antonin-scalia-2013-10/

Boreas 02-13-2016 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 301662)
Wanna gold star? :cool:

Sure!!

JBS... 02-13-2016 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 301655)
This is going to be pretty nasty. The Republicans won't confirm Scalia's replacement, no matter who it is. They'll let it drag out until after the general and, if a Republican wins, until after he's sworn in.

+1

RIP Judge...

My "prayers and sympathies" are with his family.

CarlV 02-13-2016 05:57 PM

There will be no end to the process of replacement, it will be kept in a legal battle for years. Yes, there will be no price too small for the Koch Bros. to pay to get another stooge to do their bidding into the SCOTUS, they are left with Justice Oreo and Chief Justice Roberts on most days.


Carl

finnbow 02-13-2016 06:01 PM

"The American people‎ should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”

- Mitch McConnell

What an @sshole. Unless I'm mistaken, the people spoke when they elected Obama. Twice.

JBS... 02-13-2016 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 301672)
"The American people‎ should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”

- Mitch McConnell

What an @sshole. Unless I'm mistaken, the people spoke when they elected Obama. Twice.

But he would be within his right to block, delay and or keep the senate out of recess. Would he not Finn?

djv8ga 02-13-2016 06:19 PM

Rest In Peace.

CarlV 02-13-2016 06:20 PM

Cruise was legally able to block paying for the budget he voted for. His kool aid drinkers think it is great he cost US taxpayers 27 billion for no good reason other than because he could too. Just because he could doesn't make it right IMO.


Carl

djv8ga 02-13-2016 06:23 PM

Ted Cruz For Supreme Court Justice. :cool: Trump will be happy to seat him.

CarlV 02-13-2016 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 301677)
Ted Cruz For Supreme Court Justice. :cool: Trump will be happy to seat him.

I want some of what you're smokin'.



Carl

CarlV 02-13-2016 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 301672)
"The American people‎ should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”

- Mitch McConnell

Whatcha gonna say Mitchie when Bernie appoints SCOTUS Justice Obama? :p


Carl

Boreas 02-13-2016 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 301672)
"The American people‎ should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”

- Mitch McConnell

What an @sshole. Unless I'm mistaken, the people spoke when they elected Obama. Twice.

I agree! We should wait until President Clinton is sworn in so she can appoint Justice Obama to the SCOTUS.

Yup! Like I said, this is going to be really, really nasty. The fact that McConnell couldn't even wait until Scalia was cold before declaring war is ample proof of that.

I just hope this will show some of the sane Republicans what a bunch of degenerates are running their party.

finnbow 02-13-2016 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBS... (Post 301673)
But he would be within his right to block, delay and or keep the senate out of recess. Would he not Finn?

It would be precedent-setting to not seat a SCOTUS justice for 11 months. If they do so and a Republican wins the Presidency, the Democrats should do whatever necessary to preclude confirmation of any nominee of the new President for the SCOTUS the remainder of his (full) term. Turnabout is fair play.

Tom Joad 02-13-2016 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 301672)
"The American people‎ should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”

- Mitch McConnell

What an @sshole. Unless I'm mistaken, the people spoke when they elected Obama. Twice.

I knew they would block a replacement and I knew they would make an election issue out of it. Where I was wrong was that I thought they would wait until tonight's debate to do that. Missed it by a couple of hours.:rolleyes:

Oerets 02-13-2016 07:27 PM

Hope he goes in front of a Liberal leaning Judge to argue his case.

Haven't you heard Obama's going to appoint himself to the bench! According to my BIL the TP'r or whatever he is calling it now.




Barney

sheltiedave 02-13-2016 07:34 PM

Guys, even though Scalia is at the far right of the spectrum, he
a) has a family, with a wife and nine kids
b) had the ball s and intellectual capacity to marshall a court over a twenty year period to accept his brand of jurisprudence and thinking. This guy had the smarts, the wit, and the personality to create a conservative court.

Although some of his reasoning was of an ilk I disagreed with, he was one of the deepest thinkers of the modern court, and I tip my hat to him, out of respect and appreciation for serving his country to the best of his abilities. Lets not descend and parallel how the politicians behave on both sides, put pay our respects....and pray a Democrat wins this election.

noonereal 02-13-2016 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 301641)
Scalia Dead



Carl

Condolences but

not a bad thing at all.

finnbow 02-13-2016 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 301693)
Guys, even though Scalia is at the far right of the spectrum, he
a) has a family, with a wife and nine kids
b) had the ball s and intellectual capacity to marshall a court over a twenty year period to accept his brand of jurisprudence and thinking. This guy had the smarts, the wit, and the personality to create a conservative court.

Although some of his reasoning was of an ilk I disagreed with, he was one of the deepest thinkers of the modern court, and I tip my hat to him, out of respect and appreciation for serving his country to the best of his abilities. Lets not descend and parallel how the politicians behave on both sides, put pay our respects....and pray a Democrat wins this election.

Well stated, Dave. As bad as some of his opinions were IMO, gloating over his death is worse.

Boreas 02-13-2016 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 301693)
Guys, even though Scalia is at the far right of the spectrum, he
a) has a family, with a wife and nine kids
b) had the ball s and intellectual capacity to marshall a court over a twenty year period to accept his brand of jurisprudence and thinking. This guy had the smarts, the wit, and the personality to create a conservative court.

Although some of his reasoning was of an ilk I disagreed with, he was one of the deepest thinkers of the modern court, and I tip my hat to him, out of respect and appreciation for serving his country to the best of his abilities. Lets not descend and parallel how the politicians behave on both sides, put pay our respects....and pray a Democrat wins this election.

For the most part the posts in this thread have been free of invective where Justice Scalia is concerned. On the other hand, there have been some pretty sharp and cynical posts concerning what's to come next but Mitch McConnell has proven them to be entirely justified.

d-ray657 02-13-2016 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 301672)
"The American people‎ should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”

- Mitch McConnell

What an @sshole. Unless I'm mistaken, the people spoke when they elected Obama. Twice.

I find it ironic and disgusting that the Republicans, who are always whining that Obama violates the Constitution with his executive orders (and legislation for that matter), are now willing to disregard the Constitution for pure political expediency. The Constitution does not vest the power of appointing Supreme Court Justices to the electorate. The Constitution gives that authority to the PRESIDENT, with the advice and consent of the Senate. We have a twice elected President who has nearly a year to serve in his second term. Under the Constitution, the Senate has the obligation to take up whatever individual he selects to fill the vacancy. It is a violation of the Senate's constitutional duty to preemptively usurp the functions of the two other branches of government by obstructing the process. So in response to JBS's question, no McConnell would not be within his rights to refuse to consider a nomination to the Supreme Court.

Regards,

D-Ray

bobabode 02-13-2016 07:53 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbIwcbvWIAEdDOn.png

Class act here.

d-ray657 02-13-2016 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 301677)
Ted Cruz For Supreme Court Justice. :cool: Trump will be happy to seat him.

I think that most of the senators in his own party would reject him.

Regards,

D-Ray

Boreas 02-13-2016 08:00 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbIwcbvWIAEdDOn.png

"The Senate has a constitutional responsibility here that it cannot abdicate for partisan political reasons."

But, of course, they will abdicate their responsibility and for precisely those reasons.

bobabode 02-13-2016 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 301701)

"The Senate has a constitutional responsibility here that it cannot abdicate for partisan political reasons."

But, of course, they will abdicate their responsibility and for precisely those reasons.

Yep, they've been sitting on Obama's judicial appointments like Kim for the DC Court of Appeals and elsewhere.

IMO, it's Republican leaders like 'Yertle' McConnell who are lawless and should be impeached. :mad:


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