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Zeke 01-21-2016 03:17 PM

Jimmy Carter's leadership (pardons).
 
On this day -- thirty-nine years ago -- President Carter pardoned nearly all Vietnam War draft evaders. Every day since, that has looked like a better decision as the entire expedition was a fiasco. Eventually, even the President (an Admiral Rickover trained former nuclear submarine officer!) realized it was counterproductive to prosecute people for having been correct in the first place regarding folly.

Noted. So why, two generations later, did we turn around and do the same tactical thing in the Middle East? Sure, there's no draft as the military had been ridiculously bloated to fight a two front strategic war that is never going to happen but we still failed to heed The Princess Bride's admonishment to avoid land wars in Asia. And, no, 9/11 is NOT justification for a damned thing beyond bringing to justice specifically perpetrators tied to that incident. All of this other mess, WE caused.

If the draft was, today, necessary or reinstated? I'd drive every male child I know to Canada. :(

bobabode 01-21-2016 03:21 PM

No argument here. I actively protested the war when I lived in the DC area back then.

CarlV 01-21-2016 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 298846)
No argument here. I actively protested the war when I lived in the DC area back then.


+1


No more blood for oil!


Carl

bobabode 01-21-2016 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 298849)
+1


No more blood for oil!


Carl

Me and my best bud dumped Tide detergent in the fountains along Constitution Ave. during one of the marches on Congress. I hope the statute of limitations has run out. ;)

CarlV 01-21-2016 03:54 PM

One of my favorite news stories when I was an Oakland Tribune paperboy @1967-68 was the Joan Baez protesting at the train station, getting jailed, and then doing it again. :)


Carl

bobabode 01-21-2016 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 298854)
One of my favorite news stories when I was an Oakland Tribune paperboy @1967-68 was the Joan Baez protesting at the train station, getting jailed, and then doing it again. :)


Carl

Pops was there for the 'I Have a Dream' speech in DC, dressed in his minister's robe when Joan played. I guess the apple didn't fall too far from the tree.

finnbow 01-21-2016 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 298846)
No argument here. I actively protested the war when I lived in the DC area back then.

As did I both down in DC and in Blacksburg, VA, though mostly for fun, weed and the loose earth-mother types that frequented such events.:cool:

Tom Joad 01-21-2016 04:50 PM

I'm a Vietnam Veteran.

FUCK ALLA YOU HIPPIE DRAFT DODGERS!

Zeke 01-21-2016 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 298868)
I'm a Vietnam Veteran.

FUCK ALLA YOU HIPPIE DRAFT DODGERS!

Satire? :rolleyes:

bobabode 01-21-2016 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by zeke (Post 298869)
satire? :rolleyes:

remf. :d

finnbow 01-21-2016 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 298868)
I'm a Vietnam Veteran.

FUCK ALLA YOU HIPPIE DRAFT DODGERS!

I dodged nothing. My draft lottery number was 252 so I could stay home and chase earth-mothers.:p

bobabode 01-21-2016 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 298871)
I dodged nothing. My draft lottery number was 252 so I could stay home and chase earth-mothers.:p

I came of draft age after the war. That didn't stop me from hangin' out in front of the White House with 100,000 of my closest friends in the early '70s. My older brothers were in the same boat as you.

donquixote99 01-21-2016 05:03 PM

Universal soldiers really are to blame.

Boreas 01-21-2016 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 298873)
Universal soldiers really are to blame.

Their orders come from far away no more.


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