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Dude111 01-18-2016 09:19 AM

www.youtube.com/v/ipe6CMvW0Dg

An excellent video -- I would say more,but the vid goes where words cant!

Exposing the truth about our world...... Its sad people cannot see the cage they are in,its really very sad....

The people who are happy and think everything is good in todays world are TOTALLY IN CONTROL and have no use of thier own minds.... They cant see the so called 'REALITY' as its all been forced "Programmed" in thier minds..... (A lie)

I feel bad for them.....

MrPots 01-18-2016 10:15 AM

We are their most powerful resource until AI is perfected, then the genocides will begin. Then they won't need us any more.

donquixote99 01-18-2016 10:43 AM

Dude is an avid consumer of videos. They tell him other people are 'in control' due to being mislead by insidious propaganda.

Boreas 01-18-2016 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 298473)
dude is an avid consumer of videos. They tell him other people are 'in control' due to being mislead by insidious propaganda.

[[irony alert!]]

merrylander 01-18-2016 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 298463)
We are their most powerful resource until AI is perfected, then the genocides will begin. Then they won't need us any more.

AI is a joke - I will believe it when someone can give a computer a soul.:rolleyes:

Boreas 01-18-2016 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 298500)
AI is a joke - I will believe it when someone can give a computer a soul.:rolleyes:

What's a soul? If we can imagine its existence, why can't a self-aware machine do the same?

The trick, of course, is the creation of that self-aware machine.

BlueStreak 01-18-2016 03:31 PM

I think nearly everybody sees the "cage" they're in and the ones who think it's ever been or ever will be much different and that they're somehow going to shoot their way out, are the biggest fools of them all.

Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss.

BlueStreak 01-18-2016 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 298473)
Dude is an avid consumer of videos. They tell him other people are 'in control' due to being mislead by insidious propaganda.

Is anybody ever actually "in control"?

Boreas 01-18-2016 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 298506)
Is anybody ever actually "in control"?

Well, no..... except for the Illuminati.

donquixote99 01-18-2016 06:35 PM

Dude used the phrase 'in control' to mean one is controlled.

It's a bit of wordplay. Conspiracy dudes seem to like wordplay.

merrylander 01-19-2016 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 298501)
What's a soul? If we can imagine its existence, why can't a self-aware machine do the same?

The trick, of course, is the creation of that self-aware machine.

Having worked with them since 1963 all they are are high speed electronic idiots, no better or smarter than the person programming them.

Dr. Wilder Penfield proved its existence many years back,:)

MrPots 01-19-2016 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 298564)
Having worked with them since 1963 all they are are high speed electronic idiots, no better or smarter than the person programming them.

Dr. Wilder Penfield proved its existence many years back,:)

Well, at least they have speed over the average human.....

Boreas 01-19-2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 298564)
Having worked with them since 1963 all they are are high speed electronic idiots, no better or smarter than the person programming them.

Dr. Wilder Penfield proved its existence many years back,:)

What they are (or were) isn't what they will be.

donquixote99 01-19-2016 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 298564)
Having worked with them since 1963 all they are are high speed electronic idiots, no better or smarter than the person programming them.

Dr. Wilder Penfield proved its existence many years back,:)

Looked up the Penfield ideas. What he 'proved' is that the 'conscious will' feels itself to be separate from the neuromotor control function of the brain under certain conditions. Beyond this 'seperateness,' however, he showed nothing about the source and operating characteristics of the conscious will. One can as easily assume it to be a separately functioning module in our fleshy computer, as assume it to be a supernatural soul.

It can be obvious to anyone from self-observation that neuromotor control and consciousness are separate. When I move my arm, I don't consciously think, 'contract muscle A .37465 at rate .66582, and then, .33047 seconds later, contract muscle B .11934 at rate .76599, etc, etc. I just create intentions in a general way, and functions separate from and normally not at all accessible to the consciousness take care of the details of calculating appropriate parameters and sending the necessary commands to the muscles. So one does not have to stimulate exposed brains, as Dr. Penfield did, to apprehend this separation of activity.

I also don't think the conscious mind can be the soul because it clearly isn't 'in control' of everything. It frequently is just concerned with inventing 'rational' reasons for things we want to do based on subconscious motivations.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/arti...-and-the-soul/

merrylander 01-20-2016 06:55 AM

Believe whatever you wish but there is more to a human being than ever a machine will be able to emulate IBM's Watson aside. Could a machine even conceive of Beethoven's Ninth let alone compose it? I think not. Or the works of all the great poets? To think that possible is laughable.

Dondilion 01-20-2016 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 298642)
Believe whatever you wish but there is more to a human being than ever a machine will be able to emulate IBM's Watson aside. Could a machine even conceive of Beethoven's Ninth let alone compose it? I think not. Or the works of all the great poets? To think that possible is laughable.

We really do not know what is possible.

MrPots 01-20-2016 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 298642)
Believe whatever you wish but there is more to a human being than ever a machine will be able to emulate IBM's Watson aside. Could a machine even conceive of Beethoven's Ninth let alone compose it? I think not. Or the works of all the great poets? To think that possible is laughable.

Unfortunately those are the people not likely to be replaced. Cashiers, restaurant workers, any low paying job will go first and leave the unskilled and uneducated laborer out in the street.

merrylander 01-20-2016 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 298644)
We really do not know what is possible.

Was it Finnbow who made the comment that modern medicine knows everything about the human body from the neck down and next to nothing about it from the neck up? :)

merrylander 01-20-2016 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 298645)
Unfortunately those are the people not likely to be replaced. Cashiers, restaurant workers, any low paying job will go first and leave the unskilled and uneducated laborer out in the street.

That is not AI merely robotics, an entirely different field. The Japanese are miles ahead in that area.


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