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bobabode 01-03-2016 02:05 AM

'Large Group Of Armed Militia Members Take Over Federal Building'
 
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...eral-building/

Looks like the Bundys are at it again. :rolleyes:

donquixote99 01-03-2016 07:14 AM

Starve 'em out.

MrPots 01-03-2016 09:19 AM

These people and their self fulfilling prophecies. Fuck em'....

Big surprise...a bunch of fat white guys not feeling relevant any more. I can hear their baby like squalls from here....

mpholland 01-03-2016 09:52 AM

The Oregonian has a better article. This is in the conservative heart of Oregon and they don't have much local support. This isn't Nevada. This would be a good time for the Bundy boys to die. They wouldn't be seen as martyrs here, just criminals.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...ith_quiet.html

Quote:

Brandon Curtiss, a militia leader from Idaho, told The Oregonian/OregonLive he knew nothing about the occupation. He helped organize Saturday's protest and was at the Harney County Fairgrounds with dozens of other militia for a post-parade function. Another militia leader, BJ Soper, took to Facebook to denounce the occupation.

The occupation is being led by hard-core militia who adopted the Hammond cause as their own.

Ammon Bundy met with Dwight Hammond and his wife in November, seeking a way to keep the elderly rancher from having to surrender for prison. The Hammonds professed through their attorneys that they had no interest in ignoring the order to report for prison.

Ammon Bundy said the goal is to turn over federal land to local ranchers, loggers and miners. He said he met with 10 or so residents in Burns on Friday to try to recruit them, but they declined.
Burns Protest Marchers including militia and local residents Saturday head for the Harney County Courthouse as part of a protest against government.

"We went to the local communities and presented it many times and to many different people," he said. "They were not strong enough to make the stand. So many individuals across the United States and in Oregon are making this stand. We hope they will grab onto this and realize that it's been happening."

MrPots 01-03-2016 09:57 AM

Don't we have armed drones for this kind of thing?

Just what do these idiots imagine? That they will take down and eliminate the federal government? What then?

These fat white guys sound like spoilt babies who have never learned the word "No" going on a rampage because they aren't getting their way. .

Tom Joad 01-03-2016 10:08 AM

Fuck these maggots. :mad:

Send in the 101st Airborne with orders to "Kill em all, let God sort em out".

JJIII 01-03-2016 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 297188)
Starve 'em out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpholland (Post 297193)
The Oregonian has a better article. This is in the conservative heart of Oregon and they don't have much local support. This isn't Nevada. This would be a good time for the Bundy boys to die. They wouldn't be seen as martyrs here, just criminals.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...ith_quiet.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 297194)
Don't we have armed drones for this kind of thing?

Just what do these idiots imagine? That they will take down and eliminate the federal government? What then?

These fat white guys sound like spoilt babies who have never learned the word "No" going on a rampage because they aren't getting their way. .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 297196)
Fuck these maggots. :mad:

Send in the 101st Airborne with orders to "Kill em all, let God sort em out".

Really?

Really?

mpholland 01-03-2016 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 297197)
Really?

Really?

Yes, really. As far as I'm concerned it is nothing short of domestic terrorism.

Ike Bana 01-03-2016 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 297197)
Really?

Really?

Abolutely!

Absolutely!

And when they've cleared out these assholes, they should head into the south and west sides of Chicago and clear out every last one of the 150,000 Latino and Black asshole gangbangers therein.

Pio1980 01-03-2016 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpholland (Post 297198)
Yes, really. As far as I'm concerned it is nothing short of domestic terrorism.

Born from some sort of self entitlement, just because. The lack of local support is telling

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Dondilion 01-03-2016 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 297188)
Starve 'em out.

The post which makes the most sense.

djv8ga 01-03-2016 10:57 AM

Pull out the Waco plan & torcher them out.

Boreas 01-03-2016 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 297197)
Really?

Really?

I think that Marc and TJ are being deliberately over the top and that DQ isn't suggesting that they be allowed to die of starvation.

Marc's idea that the local militia people are unsympathetic doesn't really mean anything. There are plenty of people in other parts of the country who are entirely supportive of the Bundy Bunch. Killing these idiots or allowing them to starve to death would make them into instant martyrs. That we definitely don't need.

Starving them out is the way to do this. Set up a perimeter around the area they occupy and prevent them from leaving. Then set up an outer perimeter to prevent other people and supplies from coming in. Shut off their gas, electricity and, if possible, their water. It won't be long before they come out.

True, they may try a "Butch and Sundance" and come out shooting but that's on them and will be seen as such. Really, I don't see that as being very likely. You'd need tho have 150 people's unanimous consent to basically commit suicide. I doubt they all would agree. I doubt even more than a handful would.

The other thing is for the government to refuse to agree to any demands beyond the personal safety of anyone voluntarily surrendering. No accession to any of their demands, nothing that can be spun as a victory.

It'll be interesting to hear what DJ has to say when he gets back from Oregon.

Boreas 01-03-2016 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 297199)
Abolutely!

Absolutely!

And when they've cleared out these assholes, they should head into the south and west sides of Chicago and clear out every last one of the 150,000 Latino and Black asshole gangbangers therein.

Racist thread crap.

Put a sock in it, Alan.

Boreas 01-03-2016 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 297203)
Pull out the Waco plan & torcher them out.

You do realize that Koresh's lieutenants lit the fires, right?

Have a safe trip.

djv8ga 01-03-2016 11:03 AM

I think there might be one hell of a wildfire before any shots are fired...just my thoughts.

djv8ga 01-03-2016 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 297206)
You do realize that Koresh's lieutenants lit the fires, right?

Have a safe trip.

The playing of rabbits being slaughtered & everything else the Feds were doing has been deemed torture if done to Muslims.
Double standard as usual from old Leftys who are confined in their rooms 24/7...

Boreas 01-03-2016 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 297207)
I think there might be one hell of a wildfire before any shots are fired...just my thoughts.

Really? Does that mean you're not going?

You don't have hair on your ass if you don't!

Tom Joad 01-03-2016 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 297204)
I think that Marc and TJ are being deliberately over the top.

How is it over the top?

We kill black kids for a Helluva lot less.

djv8ga 01-03-2016 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 297210)
Really? Does that mean you're not going?

You don't have hair on your ass if you don't!

Is sleep deprivation exercised on white children torture?

djv8ga 01-03-2016 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 297211)
How is it over the top?

We kill black kids for a Helluva lot less.

He's just an old fool that has no real sense of reality anymore.

Boreas 01-03-2016 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 297209)
The playing of rabbits being slaughtered & everything else the Feds were doing has been deemed torture if done to Muslims.
Double standard as usual from old Leftys who are confined in their rooms 24/7...

Right and everyone knows that black-tail jackrabbits are Christian and white-tailed jackrabbits are Jews. That makes what the BLM is doing to them even worse than torturing Muslims!

Boreas 01-03-2016 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 297213)
He's just an old fool that has no real sense of reality anymore.

One of my neighbors has a "hugger orange" Z-29. What would you say if I were to torch that piece of shit?:p

djv8ga 01-03-2016 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 297217)
One of my neighbors has a "hugger orange" Z-29. What would you say if I were to torch that piece of shit?:p

Is sleep deprivation of white children torture?

JJIII 01-03-2016 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boreas (Post 297204)
i think that marc and tj are being deliberately over the top and that dq isn't suggesting that they be allowed to die of starvation.


I think/hope you are right.




marc's idea that the local militia people are unsympathetic doesn't really mean anything. There are plenty of people in other parts of the country who are entirely supportive of the bundy bunch. Killing these idiots or allowing them to starve to death would make them into instant martyrs. That we definitely don't need.

Starving them out is the way to do this. Set up a perimeter around the area they occupy and prevent them from leaving. Then set up an outer perimeter to prevent other people and supplies from coming in. Shut off their gas, electricity and, if possible, their water. It won't be long before they come out.

Sounds like the best way to handle it.

true, they may try a "butch and sundance" and come out shooting but that's on them and will be seen as such. Really, i don't see that as being very likely. You'd need tho have 150 people's unanimous consent to basically commit suicide. I doubt they all would agree. I doubt even more than a handful would.

[B][U]The other thing is for the government to refuse to agree to any demands beyond the personal safety of anyone voluntarily surrendering. No accession to any of their demands, nothing that can be spun as a victory.

I agree.


it'll be interesting to hear what dj has to say when he gets back from oregon.

:d

....

djv8ga 01-03-2016 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 297216)
Right and everyone knows that black-tail jackrabbits are Christian and white-tailed jackrabbits are Jews. That makes what the BLM is doing to them even worse than torturing Muslims!

Yes, 'Black Lives Matter' is doing worse.

Ike Bana 01-03-2016 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 297201)
Born from some sort of self entitlement, just because. The lack of local support is telling

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No different from Paris. All the terrorists were homegrown there as well. Theirs were Muslims, ours are Christians. If they fire a shot they get taken out just like the terrorists were in Paris.

JJIII 01-03-2016 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 297221)
No different from Paris. All the terrorists were homegrown there as well. Theirs were Muslims, ours are Christians. If they fire a shot they get taken out just like the terrorists were in Paris.

That was my problem with previous posts. As far as I know no one has been hurt, yet.

djv8ga 01-03-2016 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 297222)
That was my problem with previous posts. As far as I know no one has been hurt, yet.

If on-site support remains high, I doubt starving them out will be considered. Just to much risk with that many people hanging around. The cops will go in.

bobabode 01-03-2016 11:48 AM

It'd be a good time to move on the Bundy ranch in Nevada, while these yahoos are playing 'Red Dawn' up in Oregon. ;)

bobabode 01-03-2016 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 297223)
If on-site support remains high, I doubt starving them out will be considered. Just to much risk with that many people hanging around. The cops will go in.

There isn't much local support DJ. http://www.oregonlive.com/#/0

Dondilion 01-03-2016 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 297223)
If on-site support remains high, I doubt starving them out will be considered. Just to much risk with that many people hanging around. The cops will go in.

That's why it is necessary to quickly set up a formidable armed perimeter to keep sympathizers away.

The gov, after all the warnings and actions of such militias, should have by now effective counter measures.

Boreas 01-03-2016 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 297223)
If on-site support remains high, I doubt starving them out will be considered. Just to much risk with that many people hanging around. The cops will go in.

"On-site support's" just a circle jerk.

The only reason for an assault would be if the "patriots" posed a threat to public safety. They're in the middle of nowhere. There's no "public" around.

Rajoo 01-03-2016 12:01 PM

I also support for the starving of the ignorant fools out with an offer of personal safety for those surrendering. This is Obama's last year and the Fed's can and should take a tougher stance than they did in Nevada.

donquixote99 01-03-2016 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 297197)
Really?

Really?

I protest your lumping my non-violent siege proposal in with the others.

The rest is the instinctive reaction against outlaws and rebels.

ON EDIT: saw your post 25. We're cool.

donquixote99 01-03-2016 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 297213)
He's just an old fool that has no real sense of reality anymore.

Said the guy who got stuck at 13.

MrPots 01-03-2016 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 297201)
Born from some sort of self entitlement, just because. The lack of local support is telling

The terrorist's statement: "Once they can use these lands as free men then we will have accomplished what we came to accomplish."

This is pretty vague....

What is it they really want? Anarchy?

Ike Bana 01-03-2016 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 297225)
It'd be a good time to move on the Bundy ranch in Nevada, while these yahoos are playing 'Red Dawn' up in Oregon. ;)

On NPR this morning it was reported that some of the people at this location in Oregon were also at the Bundy ranch incident.

mpholland 01-03-2016 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 297204)
I think that Marc and TJ are being deliberately over the top and that DQ isn't suggesting that they be allowed to die of starvation.

Marc's idea that the local militia people are unsympathetic doesn't really mean anything. There are plenty of people in other parts of the country who are entirely supportive of the Bundy Bunch. Killing these idiots or allowing them to starve to death would make them into instant martyrs. That we definitely don't need.

Starving them out is the way to do this. Set up a perimeter around the area they occupy and prevent them from leaving. Then set up an outer perimeter to prevent other people and supplies from coming in. Shut off their gas, electricity and, if possible, their water. It won't be long before they come out.

True, they may try a "Butch and Sundance" and come out shooting but that's on them and will be seen as such. Really, I don't see that as being very likely. You'd need tho have 150 people's unanimous consent to basically commit suicide. I doubt they all would agree. I doubt even more than a handful would.

The other thing is for the government to refuse to agree to any demands beyond the personal safety of anyone voluntarily surrendering. No accession to any of their demands, nothing that can be spun as a victory.

It'll be interesting to hear what DJ has to say when he gets back from Oregon.


Deliberate? Yes. Over the top? No. I never said they should be murdered by sniper, I said it would be a good time for them to die. If it comes to an armed standoff, and shots are fired, I think they should be the first ones taken out. Their words alone are incitement enough.

Quote:

Ammon Bundy and his brother, Ryan Bundy, said they are not looking to hurt anyone. But they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, they said.
Quote:

He said many would be willing to fight — and die, if necessary
Quote:

Ammon Bundy posted a video on his Facebook page calling on patriots from across the country to report to the refuge – with their weapons.
Quote:

Payne has claimed to have helped organize militia snipers to target federal agents in a standoff last year in Nevada. He told one news organization the federal agents would have been killed had they made the wrong move.
The people they are supposedly fighting for are against it. To me that makes this just wonton terrorism.

donquixote99 01-03-2016 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 297233)
The terrorist's statement: "Once they can use these lands as free men then we will have accomplished what we came to accomplish."

This is pretty vague....

What is it they really want? Anarchy?

They want to be the heros in a fantasy comic-book they have mistaken for reality.


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