You're not all wrong, but you're not all right. The conservative tendency to put all the bad stuff off on 'bad ancestors' is bullshit.

What about when it's still going on?

John

Well, there's also the "poor me" syndrome wherein those whose lives do not measure up to what they believe themselves entitled to develop an attitude of belligerence instead of actively working to change it through an appropriate means... :rolleyes:

Those affected should grow up?

It's very similar to the issue I have with many reservation bound American Indians.

They lament their lives there with poverty rampant, crime, drugs, violence, et al, but they won't leave because -- somehow -- they have developed a sort of Stockholm Syndrome from a prior oppressor mandating that anything less is "non-traditional" or "progressive."

Like many in other cultures, they have assimilated the values of a social power which no longer forces them to live, act or believe in this manner without their tacit approval.

And they give it.

That's not -- and this goes for MANY minorities - the fault of the white man, it's internal.

"Still going on?"

That's because it's how the animals want to live. Humans would get a job... :rolleyes:

You're the one that needs to get a grip Dude.

It looks like you're about to have another meltdown. :)

You mean like the poor oppressed white guy thing?

Rapidly becoming the minority.

They're terrified.

And well we should be.

We got a whole lotta payback coming.

Well wahdaya know, Zeke is an "Uncle Tomahawk."

Whoa. Talk about assimilated values. You've assimilated dehumanizing racism. :eek:

And he was the one tossing "Stockholm syndrome" around. Ike recently tossed out an AA saying, "You spot it, you got it." I'd say we just saw another manifestation.

John

There are certain things one does not expect from a civilized society. This is one of them. Leave out the racial prejudice, entitlement, etc. Why would any one expect a 23 year old police officer to strong arm and tase a 70+ year old man who was minding his own business and did not break any law?

Punk with a badge & gun comes to mind.

As an excuse for subhuman behavior?

In a heartbeat.

When the baggers made you an honorary white man did you get a certificate?

You're a fucking idiot... (sigh)

Most of us are but it's not very nice to say so. ;)

John

I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean--you seem to be saying you assimilated racism as an excuse for someone else's behavior?

I'm saying to do so as an excuse for behavior is subhuman, as many entitled types do.

OK. In the above sentence, the phrase 'to do so' refers to what?

Reckon who these entitled types are?

"Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings! Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!*




*The first member who can identify the source of this wins Ike's Obscure Quote Of The Month Recognition Award.

Sounds British to me. From the Python canon?

I think Don is right.

Argument Clinic and Don wins the award. :)

Don wins first prize, a one-week free vacation to International Falls.
For actually identifying the skit, BeamOn wins second prize, a two-week free vacation to International Falls.

Leverage race as the reason for personal lack of success in society.

Most criminals, for example, are not what they are because they didn't possess other alternatives. They chose their life.

The question, is why? Often, it involves some sort of personally manufactured race bullshit imprinted upon them by someone else that has used race to rationalize many things.

I don't buy it. We can all think. If you choose not to? Subhuman.

Because the ability to reason is what makes us above animals.

Quite. You are judging others as not 'thinking' and therefore subhuman.

But you have not actually reacted to my opinion that your judgement represents an assimilation of classic bigoted white values, on your part.

Calling any human beings 'subhuman' is always bigoted. It is emotional bile, dress it up as you will.

This attitude is alarming to put it mildly, especially in someone who has been entrusted with a badge and a gun.

John

If you don't engage in the single discerning element which makes humans not animals, what does that imply?

When you regard any human being as "subhuman", what does that imply?

The word untermenschen comes to mind.

John

If you do not possess the inherent qualities that make us human, how can you be one?

It's definitional.

Choose to not act like an animal or be categorized as one. I believe in the power of choice.

Animals think more than you believe. And humans think less than you believe. Animals are capable of kindness, generosity, logic, premeditation, and any other 'high' trait you care to name.

Most human 'thought' consists of attempts to justify our emotionally-motivated behavior.

There was a case I saw written up once, a fellow called 'Tim,' had frontal lobe damage. The effect was to disable all his emotional reactions. This did not, as you might imagine, make him into a highly-logical Mr. Spock. It made him into a disabled person who could not make even the simplest decisions. He would just cycle through all the options, over and over. He needed an emotional reaction, which he could not get, to tell him which one was 'right.'

So all decision-making is emotional, see?

Interesting stuff...

In my previous message, I should have said 'most human conscious thought.' The real work is done unconsciously, and the conscious mind only sees a few of the results.

I'm pretty sure the 'conscious mind' is basically a 'communications and social relations' module, that rather laughingly thinks it's in charge of things.

I don't think there's any doubt about that.

John