Right. I think what I heard on the radio this morning (NPR) is that they must have been under 16 when they were brought here and can't be over 30. Can anyone corroborate that?

Dave

LOL! Newt.

Hehe, nah, I'm just not that sensitive ;)

Btw, I figured out why all us guys worldwide are becoming soft. There's a chemical in plastic that stimulates estrogen production. Think about it :D

Pete

Is that why my tits are growing?

Dave

ROTFLMAO! Absolutely. It's NOT the premiumn beer and ice cream. That's what I tell myself anyway.

Pete

That is what I heard. Started over in VA where a girl graduating high school was to be deported back to Guatemal. Her mother brought her her when she was 4 and she can barely speak Spanish. Someone stepped in and granted a stay, so I guess now she has two years deferrment. Maybe she can get on with her plans to become a nurse.

Perhaps they gave Bush what he wanted because they trusted him to make the right decisions and believed the stuff about weapons of mass destruction.
Bush's biggest fault was perhaps lack of wisdom. After 911 he had a blank check (rightly so) to do whatever he had to do in order to prosecute the war against terrorism. He decided to invade Iraq and we trusted him on that. He let us down big time. Sometimes good leadership is knowing what to NOT do.
He failed on that. I know one thing he did not know what was about to hit the country in the face when he landed on the Abraham Lincoln with that Mission Accomplished sign behind him.
The crash happened on his watch Pete not Obama's. You can be upset that Obama has not been able to bring the country all the way back but it is not for lack of trying. Your suicide party friends in Congress really haven't stopped the rust in Cleveland have they? At least Obama has brought down the unemployment level there...

Saw Dr. No on the news last evening throwing the ball on Obama's plan back into Romney's lap. This ought to be fun.

Yes, Obama magically made Ohio better than other states ;)

Cleveland is a solid Dem town even after we threw half of them in jail. Unless the GOP forced them to be as crooked as the Cuyahoga too :p

Pete

Actually, his auto industry bailout did.

You mean Bush's bailout? :p

Since Kasich took office, there's been a 1800 increase in auto jobs, and 73,000 added overall:

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...uts-ohios-eco/

But as they note the bailout started in 08. If you kinda screw around it looks like the high end impact is around 5-7% of the total gained tops, not nothing but not the smoking gun for sure.

And add: "...the biggest areas of job growth are in business and financial services and medical fields." Hardly the high points of the left's plan!

Pete

Why is everyone pussyfooting around the true story. We all know damn well Repub business owners will not do any serious hiring until after the election.

You want Bush's legacy Petey?...just look around you...

only a well read history buff will know where I copped that line and yes it is a very unfair comparison sorry for that.

For the May issue of the Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, we commissioned some of the most meticulous research done to date about the effects of immigration on a cross section of American communities — urban, suburban and rural.

The scholars who participated were in remarkable agreement: while new immigrants are poorer than the general population and face considerable hardship, there is no evidence that they have reshaped the social fabric in harmful ways.

America is neither less safe because of immigration nor is it worse off economically. In fact, in the regions where immigrants have settled in the past two decades, crime has gone down, cities have grown, poor urban neighborhoods have been rebuilt, and small towns that were once on life support are springing back.

Scholars can’t say for sure that immigration caused these positive developments, but we know enough to debunk the notion that immigrants worsen social ills.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/op...mmigrants.html

I think most dispassionate, reasonable people knew this to be true already. It raises the question as to why the GOP is hanging their hat on being such flaming @ssholes to the immigrant community. I suppose they need another bogeyman to join the gays and welfare queens.:rolleyes:

So we should encourage illegal immigration?

How did a kid get all the way through school illegally?

Pete

No, but we should do comprehensive immigration reform, something the GOP is violently opposed to in favor of silly rhetoric about building electrified fences, moats and alligators.

Or perhaps drivers licenses? ;)

Pete

Immigrant doesn't mean illegal, Pete. The study was about immigration in general. That's the trouble with this right wing anti-immigrant campaign. It demonizes any immigrant, regardless of their status.

John

I'm sorry John, I was referring to Robs' comment about a girl going to be deported after her graduation.

I would hardly demonize legal immigrants. Not only do I like our resident naturalized citizen, my mother was a foreign national.

Pete

I have no idea how she made it all the way through high school, you will need to refer that question to the state of Virginia.

In Maryland driver's licenses will be specially marked if you are a non citizen. My comes up for the five year renewal this December, guess I had better take my Naturalization Certificate.:)

Yes, I remember. England, right?

John

Yep, English, what what old chap stiff upper lip bitter kippers bread pudding and all that :) As a kid I had to bow and my younger sister had to curtsy when we were introduced to adults, and a brass plaque on the bathroom door said 'England expects every man to do his duty' lol.

Rob I'm pretty sure her license was unmarked but that's probably changed here now. I do remember her 'green card' was actually pink.

Pete

If you have the time the articles contained in the above issue is worth the read. Here's the link to the intro article.

http://ann.sagepub.com/content/641/1/6.full

And there you have it. I have a former HS classmate who lives in Michigan. She and her husband own a small, local freight service with about 10-12 trucks. She's been posting her thoughts on FB and stated that she and her husband are doing exactly as you have described..........

They've been taking vacations in Europe and the Carribean, posting beautiful pictures on FaceBook of their travels. Use the money to expand their business? Not until after "...that SOB is gone from the Whitehouse." Now, it's their business, and I certainly believe they have the right to do as they wish with it.

But, the point is that to place the blame for unemployment solely on the shoulders of the president when you have people like that, behaving childishly as I believe they are, speaks volumes.

"Give me what I want, or I'll choke off the economy!" This is exactly the sort of behavior the right has accused unions of engaging in for decades.

And, this is why it is imperative that we DON'T give them what they want....until they get it through their thick skulls that they just can't have it.

Dave

So the same people that the left demonizes for their insidious love of money and their greedy ways are now not trying to make money because they don't like Obama? It's far more likely that the uncertainty that Obama has engendered by his policies and rhetoric produced the current lack of hiring.

Last I looked, there were plenty of democrat business owners and CEOs. Are they also part of this proposed cabal to destroy Obama?

Illegal immigrants are the most docile of all workers. Just what the repubs want.
They wouldn't dream of joining or starting a union. Simple.

The end justifies the means, even with greedy capitalists. And if you can afford to hold out for what you perceive as a greater reward down the road---the promise of even lower taxation, a more docile labor force and stripping away of what YOU perceive as "onerous" regulation? Yes, of course they will, and you know it.

"Uncertainty" my ass. I'm sick and tired of hearing that bullshit, just as I am sick and tired of the assertion that there is no such effort.

Dave

So why is Ohio doing better? The thieving businessmen here aren't toeing the line?

Pete

The future is uncertain and the end is always near.

The Doors - Roadhouse Blues

That's right, the future is always "uncertain" and the end can come at any time. Morrison may have been a drunken wierdo, but he wasn't stupid.

Dave

Actually businesses are not hiring because they are learning to get by without hiring. Outsourcing, the information efficiency brought about by the web, and the ability to sit on profits and to make more profits with the same amount of resources is dictating hiring decisions by the job creators. That couple Dave is talking about...they are not hiring because they do not feel the need to hire...they are just using Obama as an excuse. Of course when Mitt Romney is President the floodgates of employment will open...:p

Japan still has the elavator operators and the gasoline attendants...inefficient yes, but people with incomes increase buying power.
Important, buying power, especially in a recession.

Wells Fartgo announced outsourcing of a whole department to India.

Yet another good reason for me to pull my money from their banks

It seems that while Romney was still hands on at Bain they were funding companies whose specialty was showing other companies how to outsource their jobs to China and India. And the mittster says he will get tough with China?

One of the things I have found in previous elections is that announcing my plans makes people want to vote against me!
- Mitt Romney

:p


Carl

Good! Just think of all of the money they'll save not paying Americans to do that work!

Now, let's see, how shall we create more jobs?????

I know! Leave American workers no choice but to work for less than those Indian workers! Yeah, that's the Great American Free Market way! Yippee!!!!!!!

What kind of absolute dumbass supports such a thing?

I know that answer too. But, just this once, I think I'll keep it to myself.

Dave

Of course. That's how it goes when all you care about is turning a buck (or a few billion)......for yourself a small handful of your buds. Ahhhh, but he LOVES America! Right, he loves it the way a gluttonous fatman loves a bag of chips.
Better get to it before he does, if you don't want to go hungry........

Apparently the U.S. Gov't as it's done nothing to stop it. When was the last time you heard something like trade deficits and tariffs come from the Gov't. Used to be about all you heard when I was a kid.

Time to tax the shit out of every import to the U.S.!

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolit...es?ft=1&f=1001

The Prez is feeling the love! Romney? meh, not so much.