Cyber wars

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by mini me

Understood. But can't email headers be spoofed? Also, Iran still can't confirm where Stuxnet actually came from.

Not unless you own the first portal.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by mini me

This is some scary sh!t.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...perts-say?lite

Screw building new aircraft carriers. If this is where our enemies are focusing their efforts, we need to be building impenetrable computer firewalls around the systems that control infrastructure and sensitive information.

Take all those unemployed folks, and teach them to be hackers. Then turn them loose on our key systems and let them find all the places we're vulnerable. Then, once we've got all of our own holes plugged, we can turn them loose on the Chinese and Iranians!

Agreed. You cannot fight a 21st century enemy with 20th Century tools. It's as foolish as trying to fight globally scattered terrorist cells with a mechanized army attacking a singular nation.

Regards,
Dave

[piece-itpete]

One thing I saw forecast the Chinese economy twice the size of the USs by 2050, and that was before the crash. (India btw 'will' be the same size as us by then)

China: Trillions in hard cash on hand
USA/The West: Trillions in debt

China: Eight Hundred Kazillion people doubling every 5 minutes
USA/The West: 1.2 billion? Give of take some Hispanic/Middle Eastern folks

They're starting to do their own engineering too. All they have to do is bide their time and not screw anything up.

Pete

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

All they have to do is bide their time and not screw anything up.

Pete

Rising powers usually screw up by wanting to, settle old scores, address perceived injustice or slight.

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

One thing I saw forecast the Chinese economy twice the size of the USs by 2050, and that was before the crash. (India btw 'will' be the same size as us by then)

China: Trillions in hard cash on hand
USA/The West: Trillions in debt

China: Eight Hundred Kazillion people doubling every 5 minutes
USA/The West: 1.2 billion? Give of take some Hispanic/Middle Eastern folks

They're starting to do their own engineering too. All they have to do is bide their time and not screw anything up.

Pete

And we get to thank big American, and Japanese, business for this. In an effort to make this quarter look good, they have given them anything they ask for.

I must say I am proud of GM. When they were looking at building Volts in China, Chicoms demanded the secrets to the Voltec system that runs it (aside from the US, pretty well everyone else in the world sees the Volt as a technological tour de force and the future of the electric automobile. Especially the competing manufacturers) before they allowed GM to sell them in China. GM rightfully told them to go pound salt, and now Volt sales in China are almost non-existant.

[piece-itpete]

I still believe it's ultimately the consumers fault.

Wonder if China's hackers have the Volt info yet?

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Rising powers usually screw up by wanting to, settle old scores, address perceived injustice or slight.

Nice to think that China might act nicely but agreed it's an issue and we'd be foolish to act on it. They also have a sucession problem, and I've heard that the Han believes in racial superiority.

All bow to the Middle Kingdom?

Pete

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I still believe it's ultimately the consumers fault.

Pete

There is truth to that, but the race to the bottom began with the outsourcing of jobs. American manufacturers pretty well forced the consumer to buy cheaper and cheaper garbage, as they cut the well paying jobs. Or at least scared people into believing the good jobs were going away. While they might celebrate the good quarterly numbers, they forget that the people they replaced with cheap foreign labor were also their customers.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

There is truth to that, but the race to the bottom began with the outsourcing of jobs. American manufacturers pretty well forced the consumer to buy cheaper and cheaper garbage, as they cut the well paying jobs. Or at least scared people into believing the good jobs were going away. While they might celebrate the good quarterly numbers, they forget that the people they replaced with cheap foreign labor were also their customers.

Given that those same customers provide 70& of the economy that was a rather brilliant move, no?

[finnbow]

FWIW, we are far more advanced in cyberwarfare tactics than are the Chinese, as are the Russians and, Israelis. I've read that the Chinese are about fifth on the list when it comes to cyberwarfare capabilities.

[mini me]

Originally Posted by finnbow

FWIW, we are far more advanced in cyberwarfare tactics than are the Chinese, as are the Russians and, Israelis. I've read that the Chinese are about fifth on the list when it comes to cyberwarfare capabilities.

Capabilities are one thing. Leveraging those capabilities and executing the sheer volume of attacks that the Chinese are doing seems to be another matter.