Who Killed Sandra Bland?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

For a reported ENTP, you sure do sound judgmental....

What judgment?

It's just true.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Zeke

What judgment?

It's just true.

THIS suggests why MB assessment is not always very reliable.

Truth is not the issue. A 'true' judgement is still a judgement.

(I've expanded on this thought in the Meyers Briggs thread, here.)

[Pio1980]

See NPR article;
The 'shock of confinement':
The grim reality of suicide in jail.


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[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

See NPR article;
The 'shock of confinement':
The grim reality of suicide in jail.


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what I don't understand is what she was doing in jail 3 days after being arrested for yielding right of way to a police car?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by noonereal

what I don't understand is what she was doing in jail 3 days after being arrested for yielding right of way to a police car?

Well, we can discuss a variety of reasons -- and perhaps disagree -- about whether she should have been in jail on a 72 hour hold.

But the direct response to your query is that her family decided to not post $500 bond for her release.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

THIS suggests why MB assessment is not always very reliable.

Truth is not the issue. A 'true' judgement is still a judgement.

(I've expanded on this thought in the Meyers Briggs thread, here.)

And it was a damned fine post on your part.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

No reasonable jury will believe that a cigarette is a weapon, simply ensure there are no passionate anti-smokers in the jury.

Or Twelve Angry Zekes.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

No reasonable jury will believe that a cigarette is a weapon...

Of course not. As Zeke would say..."Oh please!"

But the cigarette is actually the most important issue in the stop. Because the moment that Encina began his exhortation for Bland to put her cigarette out was the moment that he violated her 4th Amendment rights to no detention without cause. He had already completed his duties related to the cause for the stop and any further detention is a violation. Any reasonable jury will see immediately that Encina was simply miffed that Bland was being so pissy with him. That is not cause for a 4th Amendment violation.

[matteos]

Anybody would think smoking is illegal.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by matteos

Anybody would think smoking is illegal.

Well, she clearly "smokes."

As for her Amendment rights, not a one was violated. The stop ends when the search ends, the search ends when you run out of quantifiable reasons to continue it.

There were any number of potential reasons to continue observation, including asking her to remove what could be used as a weapon and step out of the car.