Why is the climate change issue divided along party lines?

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

Mainly because they deal in facts as opposed to the people who say only believe us because everyone else is lying to you.

How do you know?

The site I linked to uses real information. Even those sites that attempt to debunk him will admit to the information he presents. Meanwhile, here I see a site that claims to be able to tell us whether or not to trust a site without explaining WHY we should trust their judgement. What about the site to which I linked caused them to say what they said about it?

Or are they just speaking to the bubble?

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

How do you know?

The site I linked to uses real information. Even those sites that attempt to debunk him will admit to the information he presents. Meanwhile, here I see a site that claims to be able to tell us whether or not to trust a site without explaining WHY we should trust their judgement. What about the site to which I linked caused them to say what they said about it?

Or are they just speaking to the bubble?

For crying out loud, do some actual research! Your site is bogus, follow the money! Don't be another Whell moron. You must be another who stopped learning in the 5th grade...

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Chicks

For crying out loud, do some actual research! Your site is bogus, follow the money! Don't be another Whell moron. You must be another who stopped learning in the 5th grade...

The 5th graders around here are pretty hip. Get reminded of climate change all the time.
This was another winter without enough snow or ice to get the slides/sleds out. Or have snow days aplenty.....

[anomalous]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The 5th graders around here are pretty hip. Get reminded of climate change all the time.
This was another winter without enough snow or ice to get the slides/sleds out. Or have snow days aplenty.....

Your example is of course anecdotal, and actually seems at odds with NOAA's own data regarding CONUS surface temperature observations spanning the lifetimes of current 5th graders so far.

Between 2005 and 2008 NOAA put into operation a new climate station network called (appropriately) the US National Climate Network (USCRN). This network is considered among the best in the world for reporting accurate and precise surface temperature data.

Here is a plot showing the CONUS annual average temperature (averaged January to December) since the network came online.

First, you can see that the CONUS has been cooling since 2016, and further, that last year was actually cooler (on average) than the first two years of this data series.

Of course the average CONUS temperature may not match that of your location, and certainly does not approximate the entire planet; but these data do show that not much has been happening here (meaning the CONUS) temperature wise over at least the 13 years or so.

PS- I joined here against my better judgement, we will see how it goes

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by anomalous

PS- I joined here against my better judgement, we will see how it goes

This line cracks me up. Good one.

I'm with you.

FWIW, I posted in the "introductions" subforum and got the rudest "welcome" I've every had in my life on any site. The long knives came out immediately. I've never seen that before. The poster wasn't even trying to give the appearance of decorum.

[anomalous]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

This line cracks me up. Good one.

I'm with you.

FWIW, I posted in the "introductions" subforum and got the rudest "welcome" I've every had in my life on any site. The long knives came out immediately. I've never seen that before. The poster wasn't even trying to give the appearance of decorum.

I agree. This is a topic that really brings out the best in people. But interestingly most of the vitriol comes from those on the "left" of this issue, despite in many cases these people being completely unaware of the pertinent primary data.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by anomalous

I agree. This is a topic that really brings out the best in people. But interestingly most of the vitriol comes from those on the "left" of this issue, despite in many cases these people being completely unaware of the pertinent primary data.

There is no "left" or "right" on this issue, there are simply indisputable facts, upon which ALL real climate scientists agree.

Posting some nonsense site hosted by someone who isn't even a scientist, and who has been shown numerous times to be an inept fool is just laughable.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Chicks

For crying out loud, do some actual research! Your site is bogus, follow the money! Don't be another Whell moron. You must be another who stopped learning in the 5th grade...

Stop projecting.

FWIW, I started a thread on Global warming back in early 2006 that got over 6000 comments. Research? Yeah, I've done it. Are you aware of the changes to earth temperature stations? Are you aware of the concept of the "urban heat island"? Have you seen original graphs from Nasa or NOAA, and then seen the "adjusted" ones foisted on the public? Have you seen the graphs that are intentionally started at a time of dramatically unseasonably cold temperatures used to show the world is "warming", when all it really did was get back to normal (whatever that is). Have you heard of the "pause"? How about the utter buffoonery behind the "hockey stick"?

Do some research? Stop projecting.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Stop projecting.

FWIW, I started a thread on Global warming back in early 2006 that got over 6000 comments. Research? Yeah, I've done it. Are you aware of the changes to earth temperature stations? Are you aware of the concept of the "urban heat island"? Have you seen original graphs from Nasa or NOAA, and then seen the "adjusted" ones foisted on the public? Have you seen the graphs that are intentionally started at a time of dramatically unseasonably cold temperatures used to show the world is "warming", when all it really did was get back to normal (whatever that is). Have you heard of the "pause"? How about the utter buffoonery behind the "hockey stick"?

Do some research? Stop projecting.

You burn coal for a living, and you really don't want to believe, and you're smart enough to stroke your confirmation bias in complex and baroque ways. That's what I think. I also think you're so deeply invested in your mindset after all this time that no one has a prayer of cracking your beliefs one millimeter. Especially people you are in the habit of fighting, antagonists on the Internet. I've been on the edges of the debate long enough to recognize many of the long-standing shibboleths of the deniers to which you allude, but unlike you, I don't have a crying NEED to hash through all this stuff, especially vs. a tightly-closed mind. Like, if we were both to argue fairly, you might have some points I'd concede, and I might debunk some of that old shite. But in the end, you would accept no debunking, you'd always have another argument. Wouldn't you? Haven't you always, up to now?

Do you really think it's because you're a frigging genius who's always right and never wrong?