Gov. Northam D-Va. in Blackface?

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

What a lot of uninformed wingnuts like Whell think is that these statues were erected immediately after the Civil War to commemorate their heroes. In fact, however, the vast majority of the Confederate monuments were built during the era of Jim Crow laws (1877–1954) and the Civil Rights Movement (1954–1968) and were intended as a means of intimidating African Americans and reaffirming white supremacy.

Is that what I think, Finn? You've made the effort to discuss this with me and get my thoughts about it? No, you've not. Is this what I think? No its not.

Straw dog fallacy example? Yes, your post above is a great example. Thanks for providing it.

[JCricket]

First, Whell, good to see you back.Yeah we disagree, but it will be nice to have an opposing opinion to discuss things with.

Second, I didn't read he whole thread so this may have been stated, apologies if it had.
This was done by a high school teenager about 35 years ago. Yes, it was totally lacking in consideration of others, totally insensitive and very lacking in poor judgment. The question should be if he was a high school kid looking for shock value and attention or if he was, and still is, racist. I suspect he was a stupid kid looking for shock value without regard or thought to his actions. What I do find appalling was his lack of ability to step up to the plate and own it. He should have recognized it, apologized and explained it was his childhood stupid actions that caused this.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

Is that what I think, Finn? You've made the effort to discuss this with me and get my thoughts about it? No, you've not. Is this what I think? No its not.

Straw dog fallacy example? Yes, your post above is a great example. Thanks for providing it.

Straw DOG? You mean 'Straw man fallicy.' You've made this slip before. I wouldn't mention it, except you marked your return with this bit of typical hostility:

Originally Posted by whell

Busiest time of year at work. Been away for a while. But I see your vapid approach hasn't changed much.

As ever, you are the prime example of whatever you accuse other's of. Your approach is just what it's always been. Brainless but obnoxious.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Is that what I think, Finn? You've made the effort to discuss this with me and get my thoughts about it? No, you've not. Is this what I think? No its not.

Straw dog fallacy example? Yes, your post above is a great example. Thanks for providing it.

You said "In contrast, its Dems leading the charge to revise / erase history by insisting that Confederate military statues must be torn down." This conservative meme belies the fact that these statues were not erected for educational or historical purposes. They were erected during the Jim Crow era with the express purpose of reasserting white supremacy and promoting the Lost Cause of the Confederacy (which itself is revisionist history).

Furthermore, history is not taught via statues. It is taught via books and schools. One's understanding of Jefferson Davis or Nathan Bedford Forrest is not enhanced one whit by these statues that were erected to glorify the revisionist Lost Cause.

I'm happy to debate the fine points of Civil War history with you at any time. I'm an avid Civil War history buff, have visited all major Civil War battlefields in the country, read dozens of books on the subject and have conducted tours for family/friends of Gettysburg, Antietam, Harpers Ferry, and Monocacy battlefield (and my father was a guest lecturer on Civil War history in the state of Maryland). None of my or my father's knowledge of Civil War history came from looking at statues.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You said "In contrast, its Dems leading the charge to revise / erase history by insisting that Confederate military statues must be torn down." This conservative meme belies the fact that these statues were not erected for educational or historical purposes. They were erected during the Jim Crow era with the express purpose of reasserting white supremacy and promoting the Lost Cause of the Confederacy (which itself is revisionist history).

Well, that's the Southern Poverty Law Center's conclusion. I don't think anyone - except maybe some of the inhabitants of this forum - would regard the SPLC as a reliable, unbiased source of historical fact. Could be that the SPLC wants to rewrite the history of the Jim Crowe era because it was the Southern Democrats who were running that show?

Sensibilities about history, and certain people's role in history, change over time. There's nothing new about this. There's nothing new about tearing down statues and likenesses of historical figures, whether its here in the US or elsewhere in the world. Statues are symbols. To some they commemorate and to some they glorify.

However, there's no question that in the wake of the destruction and tearing down of historically relevant statues and monuments, a certain amount of historical revisionism takes place.

Yet, the very reasons for the Civil War are still debated today. To many, both historical scholars and non-scholars, the war was only about slavery, and those folks are likely to view Southern politicians and military figures through the lens of race. Yet, records from that time indicate that while preservation of the institution of slavery was not always the primary reason cited by some of the states that seceded.

Robert E Lee - reasonable example of this. Many view him as a racist slave owner. Yet his history and writings reveal a bit more complexity. I think the rush to remove him from history is short-sighted.

Similarly, some might remove Byrd from history, or at least remove his name from Federal buildings. Is that the right course, or is it a wrong-headed attempt to erase lessons that could be learned from someone whose history might be a bit more complex to other folks.

Similarly, is the desire to throw Northam under the bus driven by the revelations his actions in the 1980's which are abhorent based on today's sensibilities, or because those actions came to light at a time that might be politically inconvenient? Do we need to throw anyone who has ever dressed up in blackface under the bus too (as images continue to surface of prominent celebs who have dressed up in blackface)?

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by whell

Straw dog fallacy example? Yes, your post above is a great example. Thanks for providing it.

ROFLMAO! Thanks, Whell, you never fail to provide a good chuckle with my morning coffee. Welcome back!

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Chicks

ROFLMAO! Thanks, Whell, you never fail to provide a good chuckle with my morning coffee. Welcome back!

He spews nothing but shopworn wingnut memes and accuses others of strawman arguments. Go figure.

[Chicks]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Today Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to by me as Pocahontas, joined the race for President. Will she run as our first Native American presidential candidate, or has she decided that after 32 years, this is not playing so well anymore? See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!

2:54 PM - 9 Feb 2019


Ryan Hill @RyanHillMI
Replying to @realDonaldTrump
The President has once again reaffirmed for the world what a despicable, racist, culturally insensitive excuse for a human being he is.

As he continues to make light of some of the darkest times of American History,

For many (with a soul).. The “TRAIL” of Tears isn't a Joke!

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Whell's racist "hero". Both are despicable.

[Chicks]

Trump's racist Elizabeth Warren taunts have entered a new phase

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/11/pol...ets/index.html

Northam’s transgressions were long ago, deeply regretted, he has learned, and done much good for race relations in the intervening years. Trump (and his idiot followers like Whell) are CURRENTLY fanning the flames, using racist memes to inflame the racist base. The GOP looks on, saying nothing, making them complicit in the racism. Whell simply ignores Donny’s disgusting behavior, or tries to rationalize it by pointing fingers at long ago transgressions. He is simply incapable of understanding the difference, it appears.

[Chicks]

Trump Jr. makes light of Native American genocide while rooting for father's attack on Warren

New Mexico Democratic Rep. Deb Haaland, one of the first Native American women in Congress, said on CNN's "At This Hour" with Kate Bolduan that she took Trump's remark to be about the Trail of Tears.

"He is just completely ignorant when it comes to Native Americans, Native American history," Haaland said. "It's exhausting, right? It's completely exhausting to try to keep up with so much of his ignorance and racism for native people."

Whell's heroes, the ignorant racist Trumpkin family.