GOP's AHCA aka Trump-RyanCare

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Yes, even.

The dude in your avatar is rolling over in his grave at what the Democratic Party has become.

You can believe anything if you really want to.

Let's say the Democratic Party is like a teenager who works in your store and sometimes lies about why he's an hour late for work, and sometimes lifts a candy bar or two. You're saying he's as bad as a boatload of Viking raiders.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

That's been going on for 40 years. And quite frankly the Democrats have been just as bad as the Republicans in that regard.

Only in your fevered dreams.

[HypnoToad]

If anyone thinks the Democrats really tried to get affordable healthcare for all then I have the Sydney Harbor Bridge up for sale. Not saying the GOP is any better but people who think the Dems were all for it are seriously misguided.

I worked for a decade to help poor and handicapped people find medical services and neither the Dems or the GOP gave a hoot about them. Trust me.

[donquixote99]

First, talking about 'the Dems' or 'the GOP' as if each was, like, a single mind or something, is always wrong.

And did you see my post where I said that saying the Dems and the GOP are alike is like saying a teenage shoplifter and 50 viking raiders soaked in blood are alike?

But all that out of the way, I get your point.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

And did you see my post where I said that saying the Dems and the GOP are alike is like saying a teenage shoplifter and 50 viking raiders soaked in blood are alike?

Yes, and I would suggest a different analogy would be more appropriate.

One from Nazi occupied France in WW2.

In that one the Nazi's would be the Republicans

The collaborators would be the Democrats.

And we, of the true left, would be the Resistance fighters.

[Oerets]

After learning of the changes put forth. I fail to see any cost reductions, only increases.
Removing the mandate a 30% increase for a break in coverage? Not enough to cover preexisting conditions or lifetime cap removals. A tax break based on age instead of a subsidy for any who qualify? Those the most in need of assistance receive little to none.

Removing restrictions on profits tells me the only ones to save money will be the providers. Saving more for themselves!



Barney

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Oerets

After learning of the changes put forth. I fail to see any cost reductions, only increases.
Removing the mandate a 30% increase for a break in coverage? Not enough to cover preexisting conditions or lifetime cap removals. A tax break based on age instead of a subsidy for any who qualify? Those the most in need of assistance receive little to none.

Removing restrictions on profits tells me the only ones to save money will be the providers. Saving more for themselves!



Barney

It is basically a tax cut for the wealthy. My cynical belief is that no one is really serious about passing it because the GOP would be cut down in 2018 so they have come out with a bill that is doomed from the beginning. They want Schumer to filibuster so they can throw that bone to the Trump supporters in their districts who are now on the ACA. "Look its not our fault Schumer filibustered it" with crocodile tears and a secret sigh or relief. "We will get it next time!"

[whell]

Originally Posted by icenine

It is basically a tax cut for the wealthy.

Yes, this is a Dem talking point. But exactly how is this a "tax cut for the wealthy"? I can see how the potential rollback of the additional Medicare tax surcharge might be seen as a "tax cut for the wealthy", but that's a tiny piece of the proposed legislation, and might not be needed anyway since the small business tax credit gets axed.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by whell

Yes, this is a Dem talking point. But exactly how is this a "tax cut for the wealthy"? I can see how the potential rollback of the additional Medicare tax surcharge might be seen as a "tax cut for the wealthy", but that's a tiny piece of the proposed legislation, and might not be needed anyway since the small business tax credit gets axed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...307-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.40aeaae67233

[whell]

Originally Posted by icenine

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...307-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.40aeaae67233

So, you're not able to answer the question, just recycle talking points? Yes, the Trib and WaPo are simply regurgitating Dem talking points.

The articles you posted cite the Medicare surcharge as an example of a tax cut for the rich. In my post above, I recognized this but also cited the Small Business Tax cut, which would be rolled back under the proposed legislation. Neither you or the articles you cited address this.

So, I'll ask again - how is this a tax cut for the wealthy?