Lessons for Now From History

[donquixote99]

Remember that this is the Timothy Snyder "On Tyranny" topic? Remind yourself of what Snyder's point 17 was. See post #34 here. (In the book, this item became point 6.)

According to Snyder, the end is nigh.

[donquixote99]

Corrupt and abusive police are a feature of tyranny.

Here police do a false arrest because a nurse refuses to draw blood illegally. They want the blood sample they for self-serving reasons--they hope results will enable them to blame the 3rd party victim in an accident stemming from a police chase.

https://egbertowillies.com/2017/09/0...ood-illegally/

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Corrupt and abusive police are a feature of tyranny.

Here police do a false arrest because a nurse refuses to draw blood illegally. They want the blood sample they for self-serving reasons--they hope results will enable them to blame the 3rd party victim in an accident stemming from a police chase.

https://egbertowillies.com/2017/09/0...ood-illegally/

The police department is complicit.

[Oerets]

Seen this on the news today. Hope the officer gets fired along with the Chief!



Barney

[Chicks]

Was just on the national news (NBC). Cop placed on admin leave. Hope she sues the bastard for false arrest, at the very least. Unbelievable. Welcome to Trump's America.

[Oerets]

From the looks of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKn1BmDDihw the fleeing driver committed suicide by semi.

Local PD just looking for another to place any of the blame now.



Barney

[donquixote99]

On this page there's a longer video of what went down. Cops position is basically, paraphrasing, 'If you don't do whatever I say you're obstructing and subject to arrest. If I'm wrong you have to obey anyway and sue me later.'

Nurse in hard place. She handled it well. If she'd given the blood and the patient later sued, the hospital would have put it all on her for violating their policy. Police tried to coerce her to do just that with their arrest power.

[icenine]

At Inland the police usually would wait until the initial medical care by the ER team was done, and wait until the x-rays and labs were over. Not once while I worked there did I ever see the police order any medical staff around like on that video. I think most ERs and local law enforcement work together pretty well.

The person who does the blood draw for the authorities works for the police department here in Riverside County and they usually take 30 minutes or so to show up. It has to be a designated individual not just anyone. When I would see them drawing blood I would think well I am having a bad day at work but nothing like the person lying on gurney about to be hit with a huge legal bill and maybe prison. X-raying drunk people is not very fun but it is better when they are completely zonked than when they are abusive to staff.

[Pio1980]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b072637c43dd1c

[Pio1980]

An aside, bakers and florists claiming a religious exemption to the requirement for equal accommodation of goods and services.
By law, the requirement exists, but its also possible that demands could be made for goods and services strictly as harassment and intimidation. For instance, custom pastries and floral arrangements for people and groups hostile to the people providing the service, which goes way beyond simply extending the reciprocal courtesy of not requesting something from someone who in good concience feels they cannot provide the service.
How should this be adjudicated?