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Old 04-18-2018, 01:04 PM
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Fine. I've got over 10000 posts here. You ought to be able to show me at least one of my posts where I stated i was a fan of supported all of his positions and statements. Show me that post because apparently I missed it.
Pfffftt. Suggested reading for you, Skippy.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

Maybe you should order the poster and mount it in your cubicle, Mike.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:10 PM
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Fine. I've got over 10000 posts here. You ought to be able to show me at least one of my posts where I stated i was a fan of supported all of his positions and statements. Show me that post because apparently I missed it.
How about you do the work, and show us just one of your rancid posts where you have called out the Dotard for just one of his thousands of lies, or his indecent rants, or his ethical lapses. You did it hundreds of times against “lefties”, why never a word criticizing the Dotard? Could it possibly be because you worship the ground he walks on?
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:14 PM
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Fine. I've got over 10000 posts here. You ought to be able to show me at least one of my posts where I stated i was a fan of supported all of his positions and statements. Show me that post because apparently I missed it.
You sound just like yer boy, Jim Jordan (R-OH), who just yesterday claimed that he has never heard the Dotard lie.

http://www.newsweek.com/gop-lawmaker...er-lied-889057
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Fine. I've got over 10000 posts here. You ought to be able to show me at least one of my posts where I stated i was a fan of supported all of his positions and statements. Show me that post because apparently I missed it.
My analysis, if you check, is not that you necessairily love Trump. My analysis is that you always argue the positions most contrary to what you perceive our 'liberal' positions to be. You can do this, I point out, regardless of what your 'actual' beliefs may be regarding Trump or anything else.

So:

1. You always argue in favor of trump policies, and seek to counter all criticism of him.
2. You deny being a Trump fan.
therefore
3. My belief that your motivation for 1. is to offer maximum contradiction to 'us' is confirmed.
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This is un-f***ing believable.

The GOP is finding out that last years mega 'middle class' tax cuts did nothing and will not help them in upcoming elections. So guess what?

Another round of f***ing tax cuts. Cutting taxes with money we don't have and running up the deficits is all the GOP can do. Just so they can turn around and criticize when tax increases are sorely needed. How many times I've heard that so and so will increase your taxes. So what and who brought us to the edge of this cliff.

Hey, whatever happened to the the balanced budget act?
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House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) aims to pass another massive tax cut this summer, which Republicans hope will rev up the GOP base and improve the standing of Republicans at the polls.
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Old 04-21-2018, 11:33 AM
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The Trump tax cuts will benefit investors, not workers, this CEO says

At least he’s honest enough to admit that this “middle class tax cut” is a fraud.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump...191854710.html
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:50 AM
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The Great Republican Tax Cut Backfire

https://www.yahoo.com/news/great-rep...130919145.html

In a sublime case of poetic justice, the so-called Tax Cut and Jobs Act is backfiring on the Republicans big time. Most voters are unimpressed, and Republicans themselves are ceasing to emphasize it in their campaign material.

In the March 13 special election for the Pennsylvania’s 18th Congressional District, where Democrat Conor Lamb narrowly beat Republican Rick Saccone, Republicans actually pulled ads that bragged about the tax act, because their polls showed that it was more of a target than an achievement.

Republican strategists who wanted President Donald Trump to emphasize the tax cut this spring were initially annoyed that he was talking about trade, immigration and Korea instead. Now they realize that Trump may be onto something.

Even better, Democrats are sensing that the tax issue can be turned against the Republicans in the 2018 and 2020 elections. This outcome is the result of Republican overreach, opportunism, and sheer greed.

Previous Republican tax cuts, under Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush, were also tilted to the top, but made sure to include some real benefits for regular people. But this bill was so heavily skewed to the wealthy that most people won’t see any benefits at all in their paychecks.
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The Great Republican Tax Cut Backfire

https://www.yahoo.com/news/great-rep...130919145.html

In a sublime case of poetic justice, the so-called Tax Cut and Jobs Act is backfiring on the Republicans big time. Most voters are unimpressed, and Republicans themselves are ceasing to emphasize it in their campaign material...
Republicans on the stump now mention private citizen and political has-been Hillary Clinton more than they mention the tax cut that they hoped would be their salvation.
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:50 AM
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The Great Republican Tax Cut Backfire

https://www.yahoo.com/news/great-rep...130919145.html

In a sublime case of poetic justice, the so-called Tax Cut and Jobs Act is backfiring on the Republicans big time. Most voters are unimpressed, and Republicans themselves are ceasing to emphasize it in their campaign material.

In the March 13 special election for the Pennsylvania’s 18th Congressional District, where Democrat Conor Lamb narrowly beat Republican Rick Saccone, Republicans actually pulled ads that bragged about the tax act, because their polls showed that it was more of a target than an achievement.

Republican strategists who wanted President Donald Trump to emphasize the tax cut this spring were initially annoyed that he was talking about trade, immigration and Korea instead. Now they realize that Trump may be onto something.

Even better, Democrats are sensing that the tax issue can be turned against the Republicans in the 2018 and 2020 elections. This outcome is the result of Republican overreach, opportunism, and sheer greed.

Previous Republican tax cuts, under Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush, were also tilted to the top, but made sure to include some real benefits for regular people. But this bill was so heavily skewed to the wealthy that most people won’t see any benefits at all in their paychecks.
Oh, right. Folks aren't seeing the effects at all. Here's where your op-ed meets my op-ed. I'm sure you'll hate it, though, and simply dismiss it without reading it, since one of the authors is none other than Art Laffer.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/so-long...ork-1524611900

Since 2007 Texas and Florida (with no income tax) have gained 1.4 million and 850,000 residents, respectively, from other states. California and New York have jointly lost more than 2.2 million residents. Our analysis of IRS data on tax returns shows that in the past three years alone, Texas and Florida have gained a net $50 billion in income and purchasing power from other states, while California and New York have surrendered a net $23 billion.

Now that the SALT subsidy is gone, how bad will it get for high-tax blue states? Very bad. We estimate, based on the historical relationship between tax rates and migration patterns, that both California and New York will lose on net about 800,000 residents over the next three years—roughly twice the number that left from 2014-16. Our calculations suggest that Connecticut, New Jersey and Minnesota combined will hemorrhage another roughly 500,000 people in the same period.


Just a note, I did read your Mother Jones sourced rant disguised as an op-ed. It was good for a laugh, seeing the same talking points recycled yet again.
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Old 04-26-2018, 08:56 AM
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Just a note, I did read your Mother Jones sourced rant disguised as an op-ed. It was good for a laugh, seeing the same talking points recycled yet again.
Mother Jones is every bit as credible on matters economic as Art Laffer, and the notion of using Laffer as an expert on the benefits of supply-side economics is laughable on its face (it's kinda like using Alex Jones as an expert on pizzeria child sex rings). Laffer has never provided empirical evidence to support the validity of his model in the real world (and real world experience have dispelled it time and again). He has never been able to pinpoint where we are on the Laffer Curve, nor at what point on the curve maximum revenue is realized. He's an economic charlatan, plain and simple.

Your article only shows that people generally prefer low income tax to high income tax. No shit, Sherlock. It fails, however, to account for sales taxes and taxes on real estate and personal property which are frequently much higher in states with low or no income taxes. State governments need to get their money from somewhere. They can't just print it or run deficits like the Federal government does.
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