civil war?

[budgetaudio6]

Originally Posted by noonereal

It's not so much that the government is spending, it's that we don't pay for it.

Remember the tax cuts along with a VERY expensive "off budget" war in Iraq along with a prescription drug benefit that mostly bilked seniors and enriched big pharma?

Do you understand that this is why we are in the mess we are?

the not not paying for it part is what will get us in trouble...With tax cuts for business, shouldnt that mean that they have more money to expand? And what business doesnt want to expand...at least with teh war we got rid of one tyrant, but i guess it equalizes with obama being in office now...

[wgrr]

Originally Posted by budgetaudio6

the not not paying for it part is what will get us in trouble...With tax cuts for business, shouldnt that mean that they have more money to expand? And what business doesnt want to expand...at least with teh war we got rid of one tyrant, but i guess it equalizes with obama being in office now...

No, business' will not grow just because they have more money. They grow and hire more people if the demand for what they are making goes up. It is the same in the service industry. More demand for services equals business growth.

There are business owners here in the trades. I am sure they are like me. When we were in the huge housing boom of 1995 to 2006 here I added HVAC techs and installers. I bought trucks and vans. Equipment and supplies orders would exceed $150,000 a month. We were rolling in dough. Then the housing market shut off like a spigot being closed. The result was immediate layoffs, the selling of vehicles, and supply/equipment orders dropped by 80%. I made a decision to get out. Our government cannot provide a stable economic environment for small business to survive and have some day to day stability.

You see demand, for housing, created jobs in my case. When demand was gone the jobs were gone.

Along the same lines huge tax cuts for the wealthy will not create jobs. We have tried the idiotic supply side voodoo reganomics model for thirty years. It is pretty damn clear, to anyone with half a brain, that it does not work. It was one of the major factors that led to the financial meltdown in 2008.

If the supply side macroeconomic model was working we would have very high wages, and great bennies, as business' compete for workers. Unemployment would be at a stagnant 2.5% which is as low as it can go because of the temporarily unemployed people that are leaving old jobs to start a new jobs.

I just don't see that happening.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by wgrr

No, business' will not grow just because they have more money. They grow and hire more people if the demand for what they are making goes up. It is the same in the service industry. More demand for services equals business growth.

I just don't see that happening.

What are you talking about? Everybody knows the American worker is already grossly overcompensated, and that the path to prosperity is LOWER wages coupled with a workforce that pays for it's own benefits. Let them all go out and get a third job, it helps bring unemployment down when more Americans have multiple jobs. Besides, if this doesn't work, you give another tax cut to Mark Zuckerberg so he can hire more people....(in India).

THERE! SEE HOW THAT WORKS?

(Me neither.)

[budgetaudio6]

i remember that. But under bush i wasnt too worried about it. Under obama, the way he had undertones of encouraging violence. All he needs is some large scale rioting or other some such thing to incite martial law...maybe even going after iran and i dont know im just one guy. i dont know everything there is to know out there...just that with obama martial law just may be indefinite.

Enough time for him to get what ever bill he wants to get through. And just what did he tell that russian on tv. That he will have more leeway after he gets reelected. Trouble is he knows his chances of getting reelected are next to nil. there fore his need for martial law.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by budgetaudio6

i remember that. But under bush i wasnt too worried about it. Under obama, the way he had undertones of encouraging violence. All he needs is some large scale rioting or other some such thing to incite martial law...maybe even going after iran and i dont know im just one guy. i dont know everything there is to know out there...just that with obama martial law just may be indefinite.

Enough time for him to get what ever bill he wants to get through. And just what did he tell that russian on tv. That he will have more leeway after he gets reelected. Trouble is he knows his chances of getting reelected are next to nil. there fore his need for martial law.

Are you serious about this martial law stuff?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by budgetaudio6

i remember that. But under bush i wasnt too worried about it. Under obama, the way he had undertones of encouraging violence. All he needs is some large scale rioting or other some such thing to incite martial law...maybe even going after iran and i dont know im just one guy.

try not to be under the influence when you post....it was ok for Bush to run us into a ditch but Obama is leading us to martial law you say?

[d-ray657]

Do you watch a lot of horror movies? Do you feel like something is missing if you are not living in fear? There seems to be some disconnect with reality going on here. What solid credible evidence - other than Rush said so - do you have for all of these fantasies?

Regards,

D-Ray

[piece-itpete]

You do know about the citizen holding pens?

Pete

[budgetaudio6]

he already has the steps needed in place. All he has to do is invoke them. But before he does that he needs a mass disturbance. He has the power to arrest any one on a whim. Another unconstitution bill that was passed.

A while back the army or dhs bought millions of rounds of hollow point bullets. Non of them armor piercing as you would expect them to be. But they are brutal.

I will be a happy man if non of it ever happens and as i look back i will think to my self, what a loon i was And i dont care if thats what you want to call me...i needed to get it off my chest.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by budgetaudio6

he already has the steps needed in place. All he has to do is invoke them. But before he does that he needs a mass disturbance. He has the power to arrest any one on a whim. Another unconstitution bill that was passed.

A while back the army or dhs bought millions of rounds of hollow point bullets. Non of them armor piercing as you would expect them to be. But they are brutal.

I will be a happy man if non of it ever happens and as i look back i will think to my self, what a loon i was And i dont care if thats what you want to call me...i needed to get it off my chest.

Well I hope you feel better now. No Obama take over is gonna happen. There are and have always been contingency plans in the event of a national crises and every President is ready for such an event. Nothing new. The only thing new is the scare tactics coming from the right and that is the truth.