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[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Enough coy games, whell. The times demand you either stand up for democracy, or stand unworthy to be an American citizen. So answer the question, did Biden legitimately win the 2020 election? Change nothing, say yes or no to the question as asked.

Almost sounds like you're framing this as a "you're either with us or against" us question. But, thanks for asking.

Yes Biden won. Yes, there were plenty of weird decisions and actions during the 2020 election. Some of these were bad decisions made by state officials, some were stupid ideas born out of a reaction to the pandemic, and some were the usual shenanigans that occur during elections every year.

Yes, Trump went too far and acted in a less than appropriate manner during that time.

No, I don't think folks who ask legitimate questions about some of those bad decisions and stupid ideas are worthy of instant scorn.

No, the folks who put other folks in danger on Jan 6th and trashed the Capital were not "patriots", and have earned whatever legal fate awaits them. Yes, many of the folks who were in DC were there to peacefully protest, and then things got way, way out of control.

Does that cover it?

[finnbow]

Former President Donald Trump has run into a significant setback with trademarking the name for his social media platform, Truth Social.

According to a filing released this month and tweeted by Josh Gerben, a trademark lawyer, Trump's social media app had its application refused by the US Patent and Trademark Office because its name bore too much resemblance to the names of other business entities.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...ejected-2022-8

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Lets get back to the fundamentals.

Isn't the GOP's plan to have every citizen to own and carry a firearm legally?
So what is wrong with IRS agents carrying one, first for their own protection and secondly if in Florida, to stand their ground?

Some huge logical leaps here, including one that takes you over a cliff.

Upholding the right of individuals to keep and bear arms is a very long way from a "plan to have every citizen to own and carry a firearm legally". The constitution doesn't require ownership of a firearm, nor does it require owners to carry. Defending the Constitution doesn't mean compelling ownership, nor does it empower state or Federal gov'ts to restrict those rights.

I don't have an issue with law enforcement agents to carry and use firearms in the performance of their duties. I'm not sure why the IRS requires armed enforcement agents given the enforcement tools already at their disposal, and given the other branches of law enforcement that are already available to support enforcement of Federal law.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by whell

Some huge logical leaps here, including one that takes you over a cliff.

Upholding the right of individuals to keep and bear arms

How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment
The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun. Today, millions believe they did. Here’s how it happened.

Some light reading for YOUR and the far-Reich wingnuts of SCOTUS' huge logical leap on this "right".

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...cond-amendment

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I don't have an issue with law enforcement agents to carry and use firearms in the performance of their duties. I'm not sure why the IRS requires armed enforcement agents given the enforcement tools already at their disposal, and given the other branches of law enforcement that are already available to support enforcement of Federal law.

Investigating organized crime, drug dealers, money launderers and (historically) moonshiners is a dangerous business. It's certainly far more dangerous than teaching elementary school, yet Republicans want to arm teachers.

You still appear unwilling to admit that this whole brouhaha was contrived by the GOP and its allies (e.g., Grover Norquist). They thought that their base's inherent hostility to taxes and the IRS, coupled with their credulity for wingnut media lies, would find a receptive audience for these ridiculous lies.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Some huge logical leaps here, including one that takes you over a cliff.

Upholding the right of individuals to keep and bear arms is a very long way from a "plan to have every citizen to own and carry a firearm legally". The constitution doesn't require ownership of a firearm, nor does it require owners to carry. Defending the Constitution doesn't mean compelling ownership, nor does it empower state or Federal gov'ts to restrict those rights.

I don't have an issue with law enforcement agents to carry and use firearms in the performance of their duties. I'm not sure why the IRS requires armed enforcement agents given the enforcement tools already at their disposal, and given the other branches of law enforcement that are already available to support enforcement of Federal law.

No leaps, simple logic.

The Republican party promotes gun ownership, right to self defense and advocates that all citizens are armed to the hilt including assault weapons like AK-47 and AR-15, correct? Refute this.

IRS agents are often put in dangerous situations, correct? And historically some IRS agents have always been armed like the agents from ATF, correct? And they do have the right of self defense, correct? So why not arm them while on duty? Refute this.

As finn has already raised, the Republican party also advocates that all teachers be armed correct? Why? They too have multiple law enforcement resources and we all know how well it worked in a wingnut state like Texas recently. So according to the Republicans, its still preferable to arm teachers because when the shooting starts, the LEO are nowhere to be found correct? Otherwise, why would so many children continue to get killed. It seems children spend more time in classrooms learning how to hide under desks than learning. And the primary concern is to escape unharmed when the shooting starts rather than learning, correct? Refute this.

So why shouldn't IRS agents entering dangerous situations be armed? Heck for that matter, why shouldn't high school students be armed? Its their lives that the Republicans are sacrificing in their total capitulation to the NRA? Refute this.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Yes Biden won. Yes, there were plenty of weird decisions and actions during the 2020 election. Some of these were bad decisions made by state officials, some were stupid ideas born out of a reaction to the pandemic, and some were the usual shenanigans that occur during elections every year.

But did any of this adversely affect the vote count for one party over the other?

[Chicks]

Karl Rove Hailed for Blasting Donald Trump on Classified Documents

https://www.newsweek.com/karl-rove-h...uments-1737526

Uh-oh. Poor Whell must be SO confused by this, lol.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by whell

Almost sounds like you're framing this as a "you're either with us or against" us question. But, thanks for asking.

Yes Biden won. Yes, there were plenty of weird decisions and actions during the 2020 election. Some of these were bad decisions made by state officials, some were stupid ideas born out of a reaction to the pandemic, and some were the usual shenanigans that occur during elections every year.

Yes, Trump went too far and acted in a less than appropriate manner during that time.

No, I don't think folks who ask legitimate questions about some of those bad decisions and stupid ideas are worthy of instant scorn.

No, the folks who put other folks in danger on Jan 6th and trashed the Capital were not "patriots", and have earned whatever legal fate awaits them. Yes, many of the folks who were in DC were there to peacefully protest, and then things got way, way out of control.

Does that cover it?

You left out the word "legitimately". Tho' I don't supposed you could and still include the next two sentences you answered with. So therefore we can conclude you do not believe Biden's win is legitimate, no?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

(T)here were plenty of weird decisions and actions during the 2020 election. Some of these were bad decisions made by state officials, some were stupid ideas born out of a reaction to the pandemic, and some were the usual shenanigans that occur during elections every year.

The courts disagreed over 60 times, often by laughing these claims out of court and sanctioning Trump's lawyers for the lies they told. As for election shenanigans, Trump and a bunch of his minions are on the threshold of being indicted for theirs in Georgia as are wingnut election officials in several states who tampered with voting machines and those who engaged in the fake electors plot. In short, Trump's "Stop the Steal" efforts were themselves aimed at stealing the election.