Why I am a shoshalist

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I was out walking one night and saw one of the girls. She couldn't have been a day over 15. Truly sad.

Dave

What's really sad is she's probably making her living giving blowjobs.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

What's really sad is she's probably making her living giving blowjobs.

Wouldn't know. Didn't ask.

Dave

[JCricket]

Originally Posted by icenine

No I think I would either save the money or spend it on stereos.Or gas.


Do not get me wrong charity is great...but it does not come close to the government saftey net in effectiveness. Our nation has its problems but sort of poo-pooing the ability of our government to solve problems by implying it is corrupt sounds like a bunch of malarkey to me. If Sister Mary is agreeing with you I know I am not in the wrong on this score.

I did use the word corrupt. I also said there are issues with who gets to decide what need is met, as well as those who do not think there should be any welfare at all. The point was not to call out our government, but rather to show why the program is not as effective as it should be, or could be. I agree, our safety net is the best in the world. My bigger point, even though it is the best, it is not enough. I am not sure it can get better. I just know that my responsibility does not end with me paying taxes. Thus I am a so************************t.


People before business, albeit a business must make a profit to survive, but the well being of he employee should be as important as any other goal or vision in a company.
I don't really have answers, just objectives and dreams and ideals.

EDIT: BTW I am very much involved with a group of citizens who are 100% reliant on welfare for everything. They are physically, or mentally incapable of earning anything. I see what the short comings are and red tape affect. And yes there is corruption on the part of some of the providers, some of the recipients, and even some of the distributors of the welfare dollars.

[icenine]

It is not the best safety net in the world. And private charity can only do so much.
You have eight brothers and sisters which is great I am glad you guys can help each other out. Some people do not have a family support system. I would rather pay higher taxes and have a better social justice system than rely on private contributions to close the gap.

Most people are like me....if taxes were voluntary they would not pay them, and people who do not want to pay taxes are not going to go out give that money they did not have to pay to the government to needy neighbors in the community. That never would happen on any sort of scale.

[Pio1980]

So-called "Conservatives" seem to be those that want a great country without having to pay for it. So-called "Libertarians" seem to be those that don't want to pay for anything that might benefit anyone other than themselves personally.
I suppose that might make me a progressive Soshalist by comparison as I think any country or employer worth working for/defending should take care of its own.

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[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

So-called "Conservatives" seem to be those that want a great country without having to pay for it. So-called "Libertarians" seem to be those that don't want to pay for anything that might benefit anyone other than themselves personally.
I suppose that might make me a progressive Soshalist by comparison as I think any country or employer worth working for/defending should take care of its own.

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That's exactly the way it should be. Corporations are chartered by the government and they should be subservient to it in order to benefit the citizenry.

[d-ray657]

Mark, you are a philanthropist, but you are not a soshulist. You didn't discuss at all the control over capital and the means of production. Your ideals are admirable, but they don't come within the textbook understanding of soshulism. (It's hard to speak of a textbook, and then deliberately misspell the word we are discussing; such is the influence of spammers, though.)

Regards,

D-Ray

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

..... such is the influence of spammers, though.)

Regards,

D-Ray

Darn them to heck!

Pete

[Dondilion]

There is understandable the resistance to increase welfare, when the average
trying Joe observe the flaunt and corruption first hand.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

There is understandable the resistance to increase welfare, when the average
trying Joe observe the flaunt and corruption first hand.

Indeed true enuff, but the need of the worthy deserving persons should not be canceled by the inevitable gaming of the system by the few unworthy of aid or trust.

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