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Old 02-03-2019, 08:58 AM
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Not much has changed here at all. Some of you used to like to wave around this link to try improve discourse here. Apparently you've not taken the time to read or comprehend its contents.

Straw man fallacies are a cheap and easy way to make one’s position look stronger than it is. Using this fallacy, opposing views are characterized as “non-starters,” lifeless, truthless, and wholly unreliable. By comparison, one’s own position will look better for it. You can imagine how straw man fallacies and ad hominems can occur together, demonizing opponents and discrediting their views.

This fallacy can be unethical if it’s done on purpose, deliberately mischaracterizing the opponent’s position for the sake of deceiving others. But often the straw man fallacy is accidental, because one doesn’t realize he or she is oversimplifying a nuanced position, or misrepresenting a narrow, cautious claim as if it were broad and foolhardy.


Some of you have clung to your own manufactured fallacies for so long that you've become invested in them. Sux to be you.

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Old 02-03-2019, 09:06 AM
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In other words, he reformed himself whereas the Dixiecrats who became Republicans didn't. In 2005 he said, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."
So, what's the difference here? Byrd was forgiven for ACTUALLY BEING IN THE KLAN. Northam has apologized for being in a photo - either dressed in KKK garb or blackface we're not sure. Byrd - it could be argued - engaged in far worse than Northam, and Obama called him a true champion and "a voice of principle and reason."

Byrd's name still appears on myriad buildings in his honor, and Northam is on the verge of being thrown under a bus.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.....
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Old 02-03-2019, 09:38 AM
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So, what's the difference here? Byrd was forgiven for ACTUALLY BEING IN THE KLAN. Northam has apologized for being in a photo - either dressed in KKK garb or blackface we're not sure. Byrd - it could be argued - engaged in far worse than Northam, and Obama called him a true champion and "a voice of principle and reason."

Byrd's name still appears on myriad buildings in his honor, and Northam is on the verge of being thrown under a bus.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.....
Again, as a dedicated MAGAMoron, you have no standing to judge anyone else's morality or actions/standing on racism - period. That said, I think the Democrats' reaction to Northam, as was true with Al Franken, is largely driven by their outspoken and righteous abhorrence of Trump's racism and misogyny. It puts them in a difficult spot to criticize Trump's present-day rampant racism/misogyny while seemingly tolerating it on their side (notwithstanding the fact that Northam's and Franken's transgressions occurred before they went into public service, whereas Trump's (or Steve King's or Corey Stewart's) continue to this day).

In effect, they threw Franken and Northam under the bus in order to maintain the moral high ground in their criticism of Trump's myriad racist and misogynistic transgressions (the moral high ground that you lack in your criticism of the long-deceased Byrd's actions from decades ago). They're aware that it would appear hypocritical to criticize Trump's racism and misogyny, unlike you who is ignorantly unaware of how hypocritical it appears to praise all things Trump while criticizing others whose faults pale in comparison to his.

Sorry, Republicans. You can’t call out Northam for racism and give Trump a pass.

Speaking of GOP hypocrisy, the Virginia GOP, who called on Northam to resign, previously accused him of betraying his heritage for supporting Confederate monument removal.
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Old 02-03-2019, 09:50 AM
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Not much has changed here at all. Some of you used to like to wave around this link to try improve discourse here. Apparently you've not taken the time to read or comprehend its contents.

Straw man fallacies are a cheap and easy way to make one’s position look stronger than it is. Using this fallacy, opposing views are characterized as “non-starters,” lifeless, truthless, and wholly unreliable. By comparison, one’s own position will look better for it. You can imagine how straw man fallacies and ad hominems can occur together, demonizing opponents and discrediting their views.

This fallacy can be unethical if it’s done on purpose, deliberately mischaracterizing the opponent’s position for the sake of deceiving others. But often the straw man fallacy is accidental, because one doesn’t realize he or she is oversimplifying a nuanced position, or misrepresenting a narrow, cautious claim as if it were broad and foolhardy.


Some of you have clung to your own manufactured fallacies for so long that you've become invested in them. Sux to be you.
Yet you suck down Trump's strawman fallacies and lies as if they were Kool-Aid. Sad.
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Here’s a great story. Someone like Whell and his pals will never, ever understand the motivations behind because, like their heroes Donny and the sociopath Stephen Miller, they are completely lacking in empathy. So sad!
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Old 02-03-2019, 10:27 AM
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Here’s a great story. Someone like Whell and his pals will never, ever understand the motivations behind because, like their heroes Donny and the sociopath Stephen Miller, they are completely lacking in empathy. So sad!
Trump has a hotel with 339 guest rooms in Chicago and I bet it never crossed his mind to offer up some rooms to poor, freezing people there.
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Old 02-03-2019, 04:59 PM
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That said, I think the Democrats' reaction to Northam, as was true with Al Franken, is largely driven by their outspoken and righteous abhorrence of Trump's racism and misogyny.

In effect, they threw Franken and Northam under the bus in order to maintain the moral high ground in their criticism of Trump's myriad racist and misogynistic transgressions (the moral high ground that you lack in your criticism of the long-deceased Byrd's actions from decades ago).
Well, thanks for stating clearly that if Trump wasn't in office, the Northam story would be little more than a non-issue.
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Old 02-03-2019, 05:05 PM
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Trump has a hotel with 339 guest rooms in Chicago and I bet it never crossed his mind to offer up some rooms to poor, freezing people there.
Don't see the Pritzgers doing it either, and they've got quite a few more rooms in Chicago and suburbs than Trumpy does.

I think you two ought to get a room, though.
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I think you two ought to get a room, though.
You need to get a brain, and a heart. Moron.
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Well, thanks for stating clearly that if Trump wasn't in office, the Northam story would be little more than a non-issue.
Let me clue you into something, oh clueless one. Politics is largely about perception and drawing contrasts with your opponent. Trump has branded the GOP as the racist party and the Dems have branded themselves as the anti-racist party. Accordingly, the GOP protects their racists (e.g., Steve King, Corey Stewart ...) and the Democrats boot racists (and by doing so drawing a clear contrast to Trump's racist GOP). Pretty simple, really.
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