Jim Webb's In

[Pio1980]

He's parsing white supremacy code subtext, folks will get that and make of it what they will.

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[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

He's parsing white supremacy code subtext, folks will get that and make of it what they will.

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He is saying that the confederate flag is a symbol of a group, and more than a few members of the group are going to feel you're trashing them when you trash the symbol. That much is just true.

He's also saying that taring all the guys in the confederate flag parade as racists is unfair--in fact, he says, as mean as Trump badmouthing Mexicans. Now we're in shades-of-grey land. Some aren't very racist, some are some racist, some are a lot racist. Hard to know where to put the whole culture, fairly, on the racist continuum, and even harder to express that in rhetoric, which always drives itself to the clear but unnuanced poles of feeling.

Does hating racism mean hating The South*? Does loving The South means loving racism? Is it thus fair to think anyone who defends The South to any degree is speaking 'racist code?' I'm not sure--I'm still groping through the shades of grey here.


* The culture we're talking about names itself The South.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

He is saying that the confederate flag is a symbol of a group, and more than a few members of the group are going to feel you're trashing them when you trash the symbol. That much is just true.

He's also saying that taring all the guys in the confederate flag parade as racists is unfair--in fact, he says, as mean as Trump badmouthing Mexicans. Now we're in shades-of-grey land. Some aren't very racist, some are some racist, some are a lot racist. Hard to know where to put the whole culture, fairly, on the racist continuum, and even harder to express that in rhetoric, which always drives itself to the clear but unnuanced poles of feeling.

Does hating racism mean hating The South*? Does loving The South means loving racism? Is it thus fair to think anyone who defends The South to any degree is speaking 'racist code?' I'm not sure--I'm still groping through the shades of grey here.


* The culture we're talking about names itself The South.

The rebel battle flag is offensive. It's our version of the Hakenkreuz. But we're still America with a 1st Amendment, so it's never going to be against the law to display the battle flag on one's private property, on one's back bumper, on the seat of one's pants, permanently inked across one's back, or on some southern bowhead's panties, as the Hakenkreuz is in Germany. It's good old American ugly-ass free expression...just like one of Pam Geller's cartoon fairs.

But are we thinking that the lefty membership on this forum represents anything close to mainstream Americans who typically vote for Democratic Party candidates? Because I'm not so sure that those voters wouldn't prefer somebody like Jim Webb.

As for me...as long as Webb will name reasonably progressive judges for SCOTUS seats...Webb, or anybody else who will name reasonably progressive judges for SCOTUS seats, works for me.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

He will not be nominated because he will never be able to match Hillary's funding levels. To me he sounds like he is trying to position himself for the VP slot by sounding like a moderate without staking his own position on immigration or the Confederate flag.

I do not think Hillary is going to pick a white guy for VP, and if she is Webb will not be the choice.

[icenine]

I would almost rather have Jeb than Webb. I think Webb is not progressive at all.
If he wants to morally equate Trump's bigotry with opposition to the Confederate flag that shows he has deep issues. Plus he is not really a good politician and was not a good Senator.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by icenine

This is why Webb will not be nominated:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7779298.html

That's a huge oops. Go back to writing novels Jimmy Webb.

[Tom Joad]

He needs to get his ass over to the other side and run as a Republican.