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02-07-2010, 01:13 PM
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DADT Has A Surprising Opponent
Very surprising!
This morning on "Fox & Fiends" Fox's military analyst Col. David Hunt (a serious hard liner) said that DADT had been an "abject failure" and that "we’ve lost somewhere between 11 and 14,000 soldiers."
He went on to say, "Being brave in the battlefield has nothing to do with how you go to the bathroom or how you have sex. … If you volunteer to serve this great country, we should welcome you, not push you away because of some arcane attitude about sex."
Even the Fox host seemed to agree.
CLAYTON MORRIS: "On the campaign trail, then-Sen. John McCain said, look, when I hear from the military brass that they want to end Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, I’ll get right in line with them. That’s what happened — we heard from Admiral Mullen, we heard from Defense Secretary Gates. … Why is John McCain flip-flopping here?"
COL. HUNT: "It’s just too damn convenient for McCain to be doing this. … He’s just wrong on this. We’re in a war. We’ve got guys deployed for 8 years in Afghanistan, almost 7 years in Iraq. And somebody says, I want to serve this country. And McCain wants to say, if you’re homosexual, you can’t serve. It’s wrong. We need these kind of people. We need all of them."
Hunt went on to say that, while acceptance of gays in the military won't come easily, it's still the right thing to do.
Meanwhile, you've got convicted criminal Ollie North saying that, Obama "now intends to treat (the military) like lab rats in a radical social experiment." He also said, "This isn't about rights. This isn't about fairness. It's all about national security. And, apparently, Mr. Obama has forgotten it."
John
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02-07-2010, 01:30 PM
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McCain is afraid he'll lose votes from the "homophobe and religious fanatic" segment of his parties base. Ollie North is just an old school, has been, Reaganite hack, idealogue who refuses to move ahead into the twenty first century.
Alexander the Great conquered most of known world, (In his time.), with an army full of queers, and he did it that way deliberately. It has absolutely and utterly nothing to do with an armies ability to fight. Nothing. And the modern military brass knows this. (Hell, military leaders of the past probably knew it, but kept it to themselves because at the time it would have been political suicide.)
DADT needs to go away, it's a rediculous, arcane mindset that serves no usefull purpose, other than to protect xenophobes from having to deal with change.
Regards,
Dave
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02-07-2010, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
Alexander the Great conquered most of known world, (In his time.), with an army full of queers, and he did it that way deliberately.
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Yes, and before Alexander there were the Spartans, a military society which encouraged homosexual relationships (not just a bunch of celebate gay soldiers) within the ranks. It fostered "unit cohesion".
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02-07-2010, 01:43 PM
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Ollie North has an IQ of about 67 for chrissakes, who in their right mind would listen to him.
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02-07-2010, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by merrylander
Ollie North has an IQ of about 67 for chrissakes, who in their right mind would listen to him.
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He really is stupid, isn't he? Never could understand why anyone would take him seriously.
John
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02-07-2010, 02:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by merrylander
Ollie North has an IQ of about 67 for chrissakes, who in their right mind would listen to him.
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Yeah, but he's a tough guy war veteran who plays with guns, so we should all listen to him, right?
Dave
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