George Santayana was right.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by icenine

I know this is contrary to all that Political Chat and AK stand for but I think we need to vote someone off the island

I'd need more evidence of bad faith and bad intent than I've seen from any current posters. But there are cases where this recourse should be available. If the posting behavior is extremely anti-social, or otherwise purposefully and effectively destructive of the ability of the forum to function as a place of free conversation, this option becomes a necessity.

[bobabode]

Well said Don Q both points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2P_RJJYjzY

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Zeke

If that's the only manner in which to survive in their environment, it's not immoral.

It's something, but not that.

Geez! You have no compass?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Geez! You have no compass?

A compass isn't universal, it's field and environment based.

Most blatant example -- meaning zero personal or specific disrespect -- is if you are posing imminent threat to my children and I have no alternative but to use deadly force in their defense.

1. You will die.
2. Your death is completely justified.
3. It's not immoral.

Morality is based in the options at hand.

[donquixote99]

Morality is based on sentiment regarding what's right and what's wrong.

Most normal people across most cultures agree it's wrong to go around killing other people's children, and that deadly force can be used to stop that if necessary.

The really troublesome gap in the broad instinctive sentiments of right and wrong is that the sentiments, traditionally, only apply to 'our people.' Those 'others' are fair game for whatever you can get away with.

Some people, however, have more ability to include a wider set of people in the sphere of moral responsibility. They speak of human rights, which boil down to believing you should treat more and more people as you feel willing and obliged to treat family and neighbors. I hope this is evolution in action.

[Dondilion]

Kids shooting kids - a general statement.

If that is the only manner - a restricted statement.

And from that a bold statement on immorality/morality.

More like a tricky lawyer. No wonder the kids have no compunction.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Of course you can. There are many laws laws that restrict the rights of one group or individual in favor of the rights of others. Democracy is a balancing act between these rights.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...reedom/283331/

Pew's research suggests that the "moderate" restrictions on religion in the U.S. aren't primarily abridgments of freedom; they're part of the complex puzzle of governing a pluralistic political community. The right to free exercise of religion may seem simple in principle, but in practice, it involves figuring out how one group's rights intersect with another's. On balance, that may mean more freedom, not less, is afforded to all.

For example, Fundamentalist Mormons do not have a right to multiple wives, even if their religion says they do. Also, if religious groups receive federal funding or tax-exempt status, both proselytizing and political activity are limited.

Thats true, and nobody thought of Gay rights in a Judeo Christian society to include their human rights. They would have been hung for blasphemy.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Thats true, and nobody thought of Gay rights in a Judeo Christian society to include their human rights. They would have been hung for blasphemy.

They weren't too fond of blacks having their freedom or women voting either. Things change, -5.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

They weren't too fond of blacks having their freedom or women voting either. Things change, -5.

And, contrary to popular belief, not every change is for the worse. In fact most are for the better. Especially when the change is for the common good.

Dave

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Most normal people across most cultures agree it's wrong to go around killing other people's children,

Hurray!