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Old 05-08-2010, 01:25 PM
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The coal plants have really cleaned up their pollution over the years. And we've got plenty of coal.

IMHO, unless we want to freeze to death in the dark with nothing to eat, we should go with the energy we have while the green energy comes of age.

I can't think of a better way to kill a recovery than to raise the rates on energy consumption. Get America back to work and perhaps then we can afford to deal with some of our other problems.

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The "green energy" will never come of age unless we keep pressure on people to make it happen. It has to become less economically viable to burn fossil fuels, and more economically viable to use green energy. It's called "incentive".

And this coming from a guy who drives nothing but gas guzzing V8 hotrods.....But has the sense to know what needs to be done, even if I'm not very good about doing it myself.

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Old 05-08-2010, 05:19 PM
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The "green energy" will never come of age unless we keep pressure on people to make it happen. It has to become less economically viable to burn fossil fuels, and more economically viable to use green energy. It's called "incentive".

And this coming from a guy who drives nothing but gas guzzing V8 hotrods.....But has the sense to know what needs to be done, even if I'm not very good about doing it myself.

Dave
I wouldn't call creating shortages with our current energy supplies until the prices on them rise as to the level of green energy prices an "incentive".

But I would call it "coercion".

Now I can see the big picture, and I'm all in favor of green energy. But I'm not in favor of forcing the issue, especially in today's economic climate.

Give it some time, it will come of age.

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Old 05-08-2010, 05:36 PM
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I wouldn't call creating shortages with our current energy supplies until the prices on them rise as to the level of green energy prices an "incentive".

But I would call it "coercion".

Now I can see the big picture, and I'm all in favor of green energy. But I'm not in favor of forcing the issue, especially in today's economic climate.

Give it some time, it will come of age.

Chas
While we're "giving it time" the Europeans and the Chinese are forging ahead. We're forfeiting our opportunity to be anything other than the paying customers of foreign corporations.

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Old 05-08-2010, 08:56 PM
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While we're "giving it time" the Europeans and the Chinese are forging ahead. We're forfeiting our opportunity to be anything other than the paying customers of foreign corporations.

John
Not to argue with you (but I thought I just did, or at least are fixin' to), don't the Europeans use way more Nuke power than we do, and the Chinese...well, how green can you get?

No doubt they'll be selling us 3nd rate solar panels with the installation instructions in pidgin Inglish (position panel collector where sky exposure to sunlight. Secure to fastener supplied with.).

But you have a point about foreign corporations. I'll take a multinational any day.

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Not to argue with you (but I thought I just did, or at least are fixin' to), don't the Europeans use way more Nuke power than we do, and the Chinese...well, how green can you get?

No doubt they'll be selling us 3nd rate solar panels with the installation instructions in pidgin Inglish (position panel collector where sky exposure to sunlight. Secure to fastener supplied with.).

But you have a point about foreign corporations. I'll take a multinational any day.

Take care,

Chas
Yes, I think the Europeans use more nukes than we do but that's got nothing to do with the fact that Europe is also where all the progress is being made in photovoltaics , wind and tidal energy production. To the extent that we're doing anything with alternative energy, we're already getting most of the hardware from overseas.

Also, China may not be "green" but they've made a national commitment to becoming the leader in new technologies, both to become energy independent and to dominate the world market in those technologies.

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Yes, I think the Europeans use more nukes than we do but that's got nothing to do with the fact that Europe is also where all the progress is being made in photovoltaics , wind and tidal energy production. To the extent that we're doing anything with alternative energy, we're already getting most of the hardware from overseas.

Also, China may not be "green" but they've made a national commitment to becoming the leader in new technologies, both to become energy independent and to dominate the world market in those technologies.

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It'll happen. But we still needed the horse and wagon to haul the engine to the automobile factory. At first.

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maybe he saw the movie

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I've seen the whole thing. There is a lesbian scene involving Hillary Clinton and Condoleeza Rice.

I love lesbian porn.

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To get back to the subject, the reason some European countries, France comes to mind, have so much nuclear power is that they use a common design, our neighbours to the north pretty much do the same, the CANDU reactor. Sure cuts developmeny costs plus you are dealing with a known and proven design.
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