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Old 06-09-2011, 02:24 PM
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Well -- 2 Congress critters have woken up.. And one is actually my senator..

http://www.dnj.com/article/20110609/NEWS01/106090309

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Sen. Bob Corker wants President Barack Obama to justify the Libyan invasion to Congress and get permission from the House and the Senate before continuing involvement in NATO missions in that North African country.

The Tennessee Republican and Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., introduced a joint resolution Wednesday that also bans U.S. troops from being deployed on the ground in Libya.

The measure urges Congress to debate U.S. involvement in Libya.

Corker said what was to be limited U.S. involvement in Libya now has no end date.
Step on it... Don't get distracted. STOP this intervention now.

The only time we should even CONSIDER an intervention like this, is when a recognized faction comes and ASKs us to help.. And by recognized, I mean people with some clout and a staff working for the cause..
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Old 06-09-2011, 02:36 PM
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Well -- 2 Congress critters have woken up.. And one is actually my senator..

http://www.dnj.com/article/20110609/NEWS01/106090309



Step on it... Don't get distracted. STOP this intervention now.

The only time we should even CONSIDER an intervention like this, is when a recognized faction comes and ASKs us to help.. And by recognized, I mean people with some clout and a staff working for the cause..
While you're of course right with your concerns about this intervention, Congress punted decades ago on the War Powers Act. It is a shell of its former self.

Now, between the "support our troops" jingoism and our general fondness of watching real live American bombs blow up on TV, nothing will change in Libya until Ghaddafi pulls the plug (or we pull it for him).
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Old 06-09-2011, 02:37 PM
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“The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.” — Sen. Obama on December 20, 2007

Um, bam?

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Old 06-09-2011, 02:48 PM
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He was young and inexperienced then Pete.. Said a lot of flippant things. We should not hold that against him.. Especially stuff like ---

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"""The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies."""
This has been an educational experience for the man.. And he's been exposed to so many bad influences (like Pelosi-Reid). Give him time to figure out where he stands..

Seriously FinnBow:

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Now, between the "support our troops" jingoism and our general fondness of watching real live American bombs blow up on TV, nothing will change in Libya until Ghaddafi pulls the plug (or we pull it for him).
Hope and Change eh? I'm not falling for the Change part of that again..

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Old 06-13-2011, 08:58 PM
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Somehow we have a cultural arrogance that says each and every country (including the ruling elite/warlords within them) longs for a Jeffersonian democracy just like ours. Afghanistan (or Iraq or Libya) wouldn't know what to do with a Jeffersonian democracy. Hell, with the ways things are looking nowadays, I'm not so sure we do either.
So true.
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