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05-01-2016, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by nailer
Are we willing to let this happen? After all, the Dems supported OIF and the purpose of OIF was to bring our vision of Democracy to the freedom deprived.
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Since pragmatism trumps idealism and OEF did not endure, why not? Besides charity begins at home and best if Iran and Saudi Arabia settle their differences as long as we get to sell them weapons. That's a win, win.
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White Christian Nationalism:
Freedom for us, order for everyone else, and violence for those who transgress.
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05-01-2016, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rajoo
Since pragmatism trumps idealism and OEF did not endure, why not? Besides charity begins at home and best if Iran and Saudi Arabia settle their differences as long as we get to sell them weapons. That's a win, win.
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Pragmatism! Spoken like a true engineer.
OIF was an idealistic war made much easier because we hated Saddam. We have the Papa Bush administration to thank for this hate. Nationalistically speaking, OEF was a righteous endeavor. ymmv
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05-01-2016, 12:24 PM
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Persona non grata
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Originally Posted by finnbow
Send Dubya and Cheney over as special envoys. Permanently.
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In a righteous world we would have Nuremberg style trials followed up by hangings for all the fucking war criminals of the Bush Administration.
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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
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05-01-2016, 12:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer
Are we willing to let this happen? After all, the Dems supported OIF and the purpose of OIF was to bring our vision of Democracy to the freedom deprived.
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Our vision of democracy is the laughingstock of the world, there's lots of places you can buy an office.
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It occurs to me that republicans seem to view black, Mexican, LGBT, Muslims and poor people in the same light as Nazi Germans once viewed Jewish people. We must be vigilant that it goes no further.
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05-01-2016, 01:33 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Sonoma County, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer
Are we willing to let this happen? After all, the Dems supported OIF and the purpose of OIF was to bring our vision of Democracy to the freedom deprived.
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They've got their finger in the wind. Trump has shown them that even the crazies have lost their appetite for war. Short of another "Pearl Harbor type event", they wouldn't dare.
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05-01-2016, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
What a waste!
So much for the yearnings of Empire.
And the Empire nuts are still at it. Just check McCain, Lindsay Graham, Victoria Nuland, the crews at CNN, Fox and Newsweek.
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The waste is the cost in human lives, and it hasn't stopped yet.
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05-02-2016, 04:15 AM
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Abby Normal
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Join Date: May 2009
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Lost monies cost human lives.
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